2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks
 

Take a deep dive into the New Orleans Saints roster ahead of training camp with a player-by-player breakdown at each position.

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They forgot to include the kid out of Baylor ... who will make the team.

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Not sold on Ozigbo, Jones Jr or Washington.

Let see what the Baylor rookie (maybe he surprises like Pierre T) can do & I do believe Ingram still has some gas left in the tank.

I'd still bring in another vet though. Maybe later or after final cuts around the league in August.

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I'm nervous about AK being out for six games or more. After Mark Ingram, who is up there in age, we don't have a proven vet to go to and that makes me nervous too. I won't be surprised if we make a trade before TC. If we don't go that route then we will probably pick up a RB after roster cuts.

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We have no idea when or even IF Kamara is suspended, nor how many games if it comes to pass. They still haven't formally pressed charges and it is still in the investigative stage with the next follow-up appearance not scheduled until August 1. The league now waits for legal proceedings to be resolved before administering punishments and it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't get resolved until next year.

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Others of us are more realistic and want the team to be prepared should things go bad for him.

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The position may need a rebuild, hopefully things will work out this year. If that kid from Baylor (or anyone else for that matter) can step it up, it will help tremendously. Top backup Ingram is about done, and let's not forget in addition to legal issues, AK is an aging running back who may have showed signs of slowing down last year.

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Excuse me? Exactly who is saying that the team shouldn't be prepared? I missed that. I never said things couldn't go bad. I was pointing out that the timetable on that is totally unknown and may very well not be the first six games. If punishment comes down it could be eight games in the middle of the 2022 season. It could be four games at the end of the season running into the playoffs. It could be the first three games of the 2023 season. And, yes, it could come at the start of this season. If it comes at all.

I would assume the Saints are concerned about signing a vet prior to the beginning of the season with his salary being guaranteed for the entire year, especially if it looks like Kamara will be available to start the season. With the next investigative session scheduled for August 1 it is a very real possibility that the issue will not be resolved legally before the start of the season. In that case it makes complete sense, if targeting a veteran RB, to wait for the actual signing after the season begins.

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I really think this is the easiest position to address. There’s a surplus of running backs in the NFL. Find you a partner and trade for one.

Alexander Mattison
Darrell Henderson
J.D. McKissisic

There’s a lot of back ups that could come in and hold it down. Send a pick and let’s get it going.

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The thing that slowed down Kamara last year is the same thing that slowed down the entire offense ... a decimated offensive line and little to no threat in the passing game. Kamara is only 26 years old. Not quite approaching the end of a career, yet. ;)

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I think the Saints may be just laying the groundwork right now waiting for the August 1st court date which will hopefully shed some light on the timetable. Maybe building a viable speed dial list.

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Agreed rez. While these guys won’t be able to “replace” AK, they likely are better than what is on the roster for backups now. I’d like to as a move made sooner than later though.

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Guido, you have no concept of conversational to and fro writing or grasp of “context”. Rugs made a post about his doubts on AKs upcoming availability and the quality of the depth at the RB position. He then expresses desire for a trade to bolster the position. I liked his post as I agree with him 100%. I fear the RB position may be our achilles’ heel this year (BTW that doesn’t mean I hate Kamara for pulling a jerk move or Ingram for getting old or Jones Jr for being unproven).

You then make a post that in tone and context refutes him. You express no worry about AK missing games and indicate you wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen this year. (Forgetting the idea he could still miss games with injury as he sometimes has). You also don’t address the concern of positional depth he brings up in his post. You could have said “There’s question marks, but the team will eventually address them” or something like that. But you don’t. You only try to show him wrong. Your post didn’t say the team shouldn’t be prepared but you sure has hell didn’t agree with Ruggs point that they should be. You made a post to invalidate his position and said nothing to agree or recognize his concerns. It’s a matter of being able to disagree with a poster without being confrontational. It’s something you sorely lack.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes Ruggs. I agree with your post fully and have expressed the same idea a couple of times. When Guido responded in the dismissive manner he did I felt like responding.

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Holy crap, Boston. Go back and read my response to Rugs. Nowhere did I refute what he was saying. All I did was to expound on what he said by pointing out the unknowns involved. Nowhere did I say we shouldn't be prepared. With the speed the legal system motors it may very well be a year from now before everything is resolved and any discipline is handed down. I was simply sharing this on top of his concern.

Not only did I not say the need for RB depth doesn't need to be addressed, but I even discussed that the timing of obtaining that depth could be affected by whether or not it was a veteran that was being considered bringing into play the full season guaranteed salary if signed before week one.

I know you enjoy "offering constructive criticism" as you point out in your profile and also like playing the "devils advocate" as you have pointed out on occasion, but why must you always read things into my posts that are not there and feel the need to defend some position that doesn't need to be defended in the first place?

It is very frustrating. :confused:

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Here's our aging RB last year taking the pass from our QB that supposedly can't deliver a touch pass.

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I thoroughly read both your and rugbys posts Guido. But wat you did was take one small part of his post and refute it. Your double use of negatives is hilarious. I don’t care about what you didn’t not say. That’s just ignoring someone. You frequently chop one point out of another’s post and ignore everything else.

I interpreted Rugby’s post to basically break down like this:

I. There is a concern about running backs
a) Kamara may miss time
b) There is not trust in backups
c) Will/should a trade happen

In your response you ignore the overall topic and points b and c and jump to casting doubt on a. That’s all you did. But why ignore the overall topic and other points ?

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Yes, I said aging and stand by it. Running backs generally have short careers and he is starting season 6. It doesn't matter if he is 27 or 37, 6 years at that position is aging.

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First of all, Boston, I was not refuting ANYTHING that Rugs said. Nor was I ignoring anything he said. What is your problem? All I did was expound on what he said by trying to show how many unknowns there are and what other scenarios are possible. I could just as well placed a stand alone post without using a reply to his at all, but saw no reason to do so.

1. I didn't say there wasn't a concern with the RB's.
a) I acknowledged that Kamara may miss time, but mentioned that as remote as the chance may be, he may not.
b) Nowhere did I say there was a trust in the backups.
c) Nowhere did I refute the possibility of a trade occurring. I did later, however, point out that the acquisition of a vested veteran may be more logical after the first week of the season.

This is ridiculous that I should be trying to defend myself over something that you contrived. And this is not the first time, nor unfortunately, the last I fear.

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<<Sigh>>you just don’t get it Guido. Nor do you even try to get it. You ignore what doesn’t fit your point of view. Fair enough. Maybe I look for the worst in what you post. I’ll do some self examination about that and maybe give you the benefit of the doubt more.

But It’s interesting that I’ve had different viewpoints with multiple users here. Just recently I had corrections/viewpoints with both Major and Shank about simple things. We were all respectful. But i’ve never had something escalate to what happens with us. And since obviously you’ve had problems with saintfan and other users here I don’t think I’m the one being difficult. Maybe I’m wrong. I don’t think you have the guts to admit that you may be wrong too.

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At what point was I not respectful? At what point did I ignore anything that Rugs said? :confused:

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Re-read post 16 of this thread. I clearly explained it. That post got a like so at least one other user sees my point.

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There is literally no one on this entire site that I respect more than Rugs.

The fact that someone liked what you posted in post 16 simply means someone else either doesn't "like" me or missed the target, as well.

God give me patience. :rolleyes:

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May God give you the patience to label people that don’t agree with you haters?

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Goodbye!

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Alvin Kamara braces for suspension of at least six weeks, eventually

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Old news. ProFootballTalk is finally catching up with what we've been discussing for months.

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One thing that Florio did point out, which I have been touting as well, that the league has begun waiting for "the criminal legal process has ended before taking action." That's why it is doubtful that any punishment would take place at the beginning of this season.

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I like what Nick pointed out about Baun and the affect that the COVID diminished off-seasons have had on his development. In that respect he is in the same boat as Ruiz. Hopefully a full offseason will bring them both to their potential.

It was also interesting that he didn't see David Johnson as an upgrade to Ozigbo or Abram Smith at this time.

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Passive aggressive again. Taking one positive play out of how many plays to prove some non-relevant point about Winston and how great he is, and that our RB isn't old. Known scientific fact, everyone ages gradually, then that one day is celebrated every year.

This is the same way you try to let everyone know you are right about MT.

Honestly, to give you the same type of passive aggressive response, we are so fortunate to have the mountain come to us so we don't have to go to the mountain. That is the persona you portray on the thread.

If I need to dissect the fact that until Winston does something to counter-balance his legacy, he will carry that legacy. Bad judgement, in a nutshell, without quoting stats.

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Agreed, maybe not with the choices, but the last sentence sums it up...let's get it going.

We may need a bruiser back depending on whether our new O-Line is ready for Prime Time. It is one unproven part of our team.

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Don't worry, I'll quote those stats for you. 33 TD's, over 5000 yards passing, and 30 interceptions in 2019 with their own 29th ranked scoring defense giving up over 28 points per game. And the bad judgement, in my opinion, was the "no risk it, no biscuit" mantra of coach Bruce Arians that had Winston throwing the ball into danger, by design, time and time again.

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I thought that Guido and I sere debating points that we see differently. I understand how Guido thinks. We don't always agree but we have a mutual respect for each other. In my opinion both Boston, who is a ray of sunshine, and Guido make good points from opposite ends of the spectrum that I respect. I rarely let things get under my skin these days as I mellow with age.

This is a Saints discussion board and I have changed my mind before with new information shared by members. I love to see different perspectives which gives me something to think about.

By the way Rugs has one g.;)

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I wonder if Carmichael has the same need for a fullback that Payton did? I believe only a small percentage of teams still use them.

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We are one of the few that even carry one on the roster. So it appears he'll be used.

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Weren't we looking at a replacement for Adam Prentice last year? The running backs had no room to work with at all. Of course, the O-line was playing tag and musical chairs all year long. It wasn't pretty. Ok. It was ugly as hell!

Incidentally, for some reason I'm getting a PT vibe from what I hear coming out of training camp about undrafted rookie Abram Smith. Antonio Pittman who was drafted in the fourth round didn't even get a roster spot when Pierre Thomas was a rookie. We've had success in the past also with Chris Ivory and other UDFA's who played well for us. Any thoughts on the RB coach Joel Thomas?

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Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here.

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Talk about Groundhog Day. :rolleyes:

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"....the few that even carry one." Is the same as "How long is a piece of string?" and "How high is up?"


A simple internet search will yield a variety of answers.

Pick your percentage.


During the 2020-21 season, there were 20 NFL teams with at least one fullback on their roster — the New England Patriots and Tennessee Titans were the only NFL teams with two signed fullbacks. OR .63%


OR

How many NFL teams have a fullback 2021?
According to Over The Cap, a website that tracks player contracts, just 14 of the NFL's 32. OR .44%

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I think we may be waiting for the date when their salary isn't full guaranteed. Possibly we're waiting on cuts too.