Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?

rezburna · 07-20-2022, 02:34 PM

1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
7 Pro Bowls
107 sacks
137 TFL
573 combined tackles
0 Super Bowls

He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years.

SmashMouth · 07-20-2022, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
7 Pro Bowls
107 sacks
137 TFL
573 combined tackles
0 Super Bowls

He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years.

He should have gotten a ring or two in that span of years. He missed 2009 by two years.

K Major · 07-20-2022, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
7 Pro Bowls
107 sacks
137 TFL
573 combined tackles
0 Super Bowls

He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years.

Agreed.

LC Greenwood’s family is still awaiting the call and he has multiple SB rings.

Cam will need to pick up the pace before he hangs em up.

AsylumGuido · 07-20-2022, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Agreed.

LC Greenwood’s family is still awaiting the call and he has multiple SB rings.

Cam will need to pick up the pace before he hangs em up.

They were discussing SB rings and the relevance to the HOF last week on NFL Radio. Two of those in the discussion (Vic Carruci and Alex Marvez) were HOF voters and they said being on a SB winning team isn't as important as some may think. It's not something stressed when going over qualifications. Sure, many, if not most, HOF members have been associated with a championship team, but much of that comes from longevity and not personal achievement. They said if it came down to two players with almost identical qualifications with one having played on a SB winning team then it may then be considered. Just look at Jim Kelly and Dan Marino as two examples they gave.

AsylumGuido · 07-20-2022, 04:10 PM

By the way, here are the individuals that determine who makes it in or not ... The Times-Picayune's very own Jeff Duncan is one of them.

Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee

Arizona	Kent Somers, Arizona Republic
Atlanta	Darryl Ledbetter, Atlanta Journal-Constitution *
Baltimore	Scott Garceau, 105.7 The Fan/WMAR-TV
Buffalo	Vic Carucci, WGRZ-TV #
Carolina	Darin Gantt, Carolina Panthers
Chicago	Dan Pompei, The Athletic *
Cincinnati	Geoff Hobson, Bengals.com
Cleveland	Tony Grossi, ESPNCleveland.com/WKNR Radio
Dallas	Rick Gosselin, Talk of Fame Network *
Denver	Jeff Legwold, ESPN/ESPN.com *
Detroit	Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Green Bay	Pete Dougherty, Green Bay Press-Gazette
Houston	John McClain, retired, Houston Chronicle *
Indianapolis	Mike Chappell, Fox 59/CBS 4
Jacksonville	Sam Kouvaris, SamSportsLine.com
Kansas City	Vahe Gregorian, Kansas City Star
Las Vegas	Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange *
Los Angeles (Chargers)	Eric Williams, Sports Illustrated
Los Angeles (Rams)	Howard Balzer, Sports Illustrated *
Miami	Armando Salguero, Outkick.com
Minnesota	Mark Craig, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune
New England	Ron Borges, Talk of Fame Network *
New Orleans	Jeff Duncan, Times-Picayune
New York (Giants)	Bob Glauber, Newsday *
New York (Jets)	Gary Myers, Author *
Philadelphia	Paul Domowitch, the33rdteam.com/PhillyMag.com
Pittsburgh	Ed Bouchette, retired, The Athletic
San Francisco	Matt Maiocco, CSNBayArea.com
Seattle	Mike Sando, The Athletic #
Tampa Bay	Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com *
Tennessee	Paul Kuharsky, PaulKuharsky.com/Outkick360 #
Washington	Jarrett Bell, USA Today #
PFWA	Lindsay Jones, The Athletic
At-Large	Mary Cay Cabot, Cleveland Plain Dealer
At-Large	Jason Cole, FanSided.com
At-Large	John Czarnecki, FOX Sports *
At-Large	Tony Dungy, NBC Sports "Football Night in America" (Hall of Famer)
At-Large	Dan Fouts, Broadcaster (Hall of Famer) #
At-Large	Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network #
At-Large	Peter King, NBC Sports #
At-Large	James Lofton, CBS Sports (Hall of Famer)
At-Large	Alex Marvez, SiriusXM NFL Radio
At-Large	Bill Polian, SiriusXM NFL Radio (Hall of Famer) #
At-Large	Sal Paolantonio, ESPN #
At-Large	Lisa Salters, ESPN "Monday Night Football"
At-Large	Jim Trotter, NFL Network #
At-Large	Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk #
At-Large	Barry Wilner, retired, Associated Press #
At-Large	OPEN

* Member of the Seniors Selection Committee
# Member of the Coach/Contributor Selection Committee

TheOak · 07-21-2022, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

One thing that matters, but shouldn't, is what the voters think of the candidate personally. There are few people in the entire league more liked and more accommodating with the press than Cam Jordan.

Yes but that's only a portion of it. No one gets in on their own merit, you have to first have your own merit and secondly you have to stand out amongst that years candidates. Its the contrast that kills most people and most of the voters are not Saints fans which means Cam gets less viewership from the voters.

To my point, would Cutler have been talked about as much as a Saint? No, but he was a Bear so he had greater exposure. Mother f***ers play favorites whether we want to believe that or not.

AsylumGuido · 07-21-2022, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes but that's only a portion of it. No one gets in on their own merit, you have to first have your own merit and secondly you have to stand out amongst that years candidates. Its the contrast that kills most people and most of the voters are not Saints fans which means Cam gets less viewership from the voters.

To my point, would Cutler have been talked about as much as a Saint? No, but he was a Bear so he had greater exposure. Mother f***ers play favorites whether we want to believe that or not.

Fortunately the process doesn't take place in a vacuum. It's the job of the member representing the nominee to sell that nominee. It's my understanding that these presentations can be very in-depth, especially for those NOT already well known by the other members. When Cam's time comes up it will probably be Jeff Duncan's, or the Saints voting member at the time's, job to give every reason why Jordan belongs.

At least 32 of the 49 members are beat writers and not "fans" of any team. I've known many sports writers and broadcasters in my day and they are almost to a man, or woman, frustratingly neutral when it comes to the team they cover. Any allegiance usually belongs to the team they pulled for growing up.

But, yes, they can and do play favorites I would suppose. I have heard that players that have a bad reputation for with the press have a tougher hill to climb than those who the press like in general. Cam's seems to have been campaigning quite a bit in that realm recently.

bobdog86 · 07-21-2022, 06:11 PM

my .02- Definitely not first ballot, Has to contend with the big market bias, (yes it exist) and that wow factor or glaring stat that most have. Winning Super Bowls is a big deal, but it's not all that. Just means the player was part of a well rounded team, which offers up the old question...was the player that great? or was the player just a cog in a well oiled machine. AKA LC Greenwood, Trent Dilfer. Something like a top five in sacks, Pro Bowl/All-Pro, maybe Deep playoff run where he puts the team on his shoulders via key plays, sacks, TFL in the next couple of seasons would probably cement his eventual ticket. Just may take awhile, while adding a little jam to his toast.

K Major · 07-21-2022, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

my .02- Definitely not first ballot, Has to contend with the big market bias, (yes it exist) and that wow factor or glaring stat that most have. Winning Super Bowls is a big deal, but it's not all that. Just means the player was part of a well rounded team, which offers up the old question...was the player that great? or was the player just a cog in a well oiled machine. AKA LC Greenwood, Trent Dilfer. Something like a top five in sacks, Pro Bowl/All-Pro, maybe Deep playoff run where he puts the team on his shoulders via key plays, sacks, TFL in the next couple of seasons would probably cement his eventual ticket. Just may take awhile, while adding a little jam to his toast.

LC was that good in those trenches. His numbers are what they are. A GREAT player.

If stats (sacks, tfl, hurries) were recorded when he entered the league, there is no telling where his totals may have ended. His post-season stats are among the best that's ever lined up at DE.

But as Rez eluded to earlier in a previous post, Cam is going to have to pick up the pace quite a bit, otherwise, he'll have to wait (see Klecko, Jim Marshall & Gastineau) a long time before he gets the call.

SmashMouth · 07-22-2022, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

LC was that good in those trenches. His numbers are what they are. A GREAT player.

If stats (sacks, tfl, hurries) were recorded when he entered the league, there is no telling where his totals may have ended. His post-season stats are among the best that's ever lined up at DE.

But as Rez eluded to earlier in a previous post, Cam is going to have to pick up the pace quite a bit, otherwise, he'll have to wait (see Klecko, Jim Marshall & Gastineau) a long time before he gets the call.

Cam ain't finished yet, homies!

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? 1x 1st Team All Pro 2x 2nd Team All Pro 7 Pro Bowls 107 sacks 137 TFL 573 combined tackles 0 Super Bowls He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years. bobdog86 likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? Originally Posted by rezburna 1x 1st Team All Pro 2x 2nd Team All Pro 7 Pro Bowls 107 sacks 137 TFL 573 combined tackles 0 Super Bowls He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years. He should have gotten a ring or two in that span of years. He missed 2009 by two years.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? Originally Posted by rezburna 1x 1st Team All Pro 2x 2nd Team All Pro 7 Pro Bowls 107 sacks 137 TFL 573 combined tackles 0 Super Bowls He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years. Agreed. LC Greenwood’s family is still awaiting the call and he has multiple SB rings. Cam will need to pick up the pace before he hangs em up.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? Originally Posted by K Major Agreed. LC Greenwood’s family is still awaiting the call and he has multiple SB rings. Cam will need to pick up the pace before he hangs em up. They were discussing SB rings and the relevance to the HOF last week on NFL Radio. Two of those in the discussion (Vic Carruci and Alex Marvez) were HOF voters and they said being on a SB winning team isn't as important as some may think. It's not something stressed when going over qualifications. Sure, many, if not most, HOF members have been associated with a championship team, but much of that comes from longevity and not personal achievement. They said if it came down to two players with almost identical qualifications with one having played on a SB winning team then it may then be considered. Just look at Jim Kelly and Dan Marino as two examples they gave. SmashMouth likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido One thing that matters, but shouldn't, is what the voters think of the candidate personally. There are few people in the entire league more liked and more accommodating with the press than Cam Jordan. Yes but that's only a portion of it. No one gets in on their own merit, you have to first have your own merit and secondly you have to stand out amongst that years candidates. Its the contrast that kills most people and most of the voters are not Saints fans which means Cam gets less viewership from the voters. To my point, would Cutler have been talked about as much as a Saint? No, but he was a Bear so he had greater exposure. Mother f***ers play favorites whether we want to believe that or not. SmashMouth likes this.

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07-21-2022, 11:32 AM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? Originally Posted by TheOak Yes but that's only a portion of it. No one gets in on their own merit, you have to first have your own merit and secondly you have to stand out amongst that years candidates. Its the contrast that kills most people and most of the voters are not Saints fans which means Cam gets less viewership from the voters. To my point, would Cutler have been talked about as much as a Saint? No, but he was a Bear so he had greater exposure. Mother f***ers play favorites whether we want to believe that or not. Fortunately the process doesn't take place in a vacuum. It's the job of the member representing the nominee to sell that nominee. It's my understanding that these presentations can be very in-depth, especially for those NOT already well known by the other members. When Cam's time comes up it will probably be Jeff Duncan's, or the Saints voting member at the time's, job to give every reason why Jordan belongs. At least 32 of the 49 members are beat writers and not "fans" of any team. I've known many sports writers and broadcasters in my day and they are almost to a man, or woman, frustratingly neutral when it comes to the team they cover. Any allegiance usually belongs to the team they pulled for growing up. But, yes, they can and do play favorites I would suppose. I have heard that players that have a bad reputation for with the press have a tougher hill to climb than those who the press like in general. Cam's seems to have been campaigning quite a bit in that realm recently.
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bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,406	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? my .02- Definitely not first ballot, Has to contend with the big market bias, (yes it exist) and that wow factor or glaring stat that most have. Winning Super Bowls is a big deal, but it's not all that. Just means the player was part of a well rounded team, which offers up the old question...was the player that great? or was the player just a cog in a well oiled machine. AKA LC Greenwood, Trent Dilfer. Something like a top five in sacks, Pro Bowl/All-Pro, maybe Deep playoff run where he puts the team on his shoulders via key plays, sacks, TFL in the next couple of seasons would probably cement his eventual ticket. Just may take awhile, while adding a little jam to his toast. AsylumGuido likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? Originally Posted by bobdog86 my .02- Definitely not first ballot, Has to contend with the big market bias, (yes it exist) and that wow factor or glaring stat that most have. Winning Super Bowls is a big deal, but it's not all that. Just means the player was part of a well rounded team, which offers up the old question...was the player that great? or was the player just a cog in a well oiled machine. AKA LC Greenwood, Trent Dilfer. Something like a top five in sacks, Pro Bowl/All-Pro, maybe Deep playoff run where he puts the team on his shoulders via key plays, sacks, TFL in the next couple of seasons would probably cement his eventual ticket. Just may take awhile, while adding a little jam to his toast. LC was that good in those trenches. His numbers are what they are. A GREAT player. If stats (sacks, tfl, hurries) were recorded when he entered the league, there is no telling where his totals may have ended. His post-season stats are among the best that's ever lined up at DE. But as Rez eluded to earlier in a previous post, Cam is going to have to pick up the pace quite a bit, otherwise, he'll have to wait (see Klecko, Jim Marshall & Gastineau) a long time before he gets the call. bobdog86 likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame? Originally Posted by K Major LC was that good in those trenches. His numbers are what they are. A GREAT player. If stats (sacks, tfl, hurries) were recorded when he entered the league, there is no telling where his totals may have ended. His post-season stats are among the best that's ever lined up at DE. But as Rez eluded to earlier in a previous post, Cam is going to have to pick up the pace quite a bit, otherwise, he'll have to wait (see Klecko, Jim Marshall & Gastineau) a long time before he gets the call. Cam ain't finished yet, homies! AsylumGuido likes this.