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Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins:

Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023.

The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton.

The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division.

The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest.

The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2.

Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting.

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All I can say about all of that is ...

:roflmao: :rofl: :roflmao: :rofl:

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Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing.

And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have.

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“The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”.

I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

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:roflmao: :rofl: :roflmao: :rofl:

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Everyone pays more with someone bidding against them.

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I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing?

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How would they accomplish that? Who would get the 2023 first and who would get 2024 third? I can see your point, but can't see any way to pull it off fairly without pissing off other teams. Apparently tampering at some level goes on all the time across the league from what I have read. The problem with Miami though is that they carried it to an extreme AND also threatened the "integrity of the game" with the blatant tanking wishes of the owner. That's why they threw the book at Ross, I believe.

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There was never going to be a bidding war imho
Payton held the cards on that, he will want the teams he wants and if the Saints want picks they will have to work with him. And i think the expectation of multiple 1sts was always a stretch

Though i do think he was shady as **** with the team talking behind their backs, and dont believe any it was his agent,they approached him etc. He was interested in ditching the team to go to Miami with Brady. For Miami it still might be worth doing the deal. They have a great roster already and if they can get Brady in FA next year, they still have a 1st to play with and not getting Brady/Payton and losing picks is probably worse than doubling down and ending up with nothing.

If Tua excels then i can see them changing the gameplan, is he doesnt i think the interest will still be there. Same with the Cowboys, if they start badly or have a bad stretch i can see them moving quickly.

I think if a deal gets done its more a 1+ 2nd or 3rd.
Otherwise he will just sit out a extra year

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Haslam comments are pretty disgusting on that statement

Talking about his remorse(he has shown none, other than paying people off) and then Haslam starting talking about triggering people. Slimeballs the lot of them, was disgusted the Saints even got involved in it all.

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What about compensatory picks? Those are at best a 3rd rounder.

Just throwing that out there. In this case, the Dolphins didn't actually sign either Payton or Brady, so it's not like a team actually lost someone. Unless you can prove the tampering caused Payton to resign, and that would be difficult if not impossible.

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If you think the Dolphins throwing an offer at Sean Payton had anything to do with him leaving you have to believe that Sean has not had a/multiple offers thrown at him in the last 13 years which I am willing to speculate is easily in excess of 15-20. F**k, Jerry Jones along probably throws an offer at him every single off season.

If Sean Payton decided to coach again it wouldn't be a bidding war. As per his own comment, it would have to be the "right fit".. meaning he isn't on an auction block. In case you didn't read into that "right fit" comment of his, it isn't New Orleans or he would be here and people focus on a "right fit" after leaving because of a bad fit.

One thing that people who spend their entire lives in Louisiana don't recognize that those that move there do.. That place can burn you the f*** out.... Like being Guido's Siamese twin.

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I’m here in Dallas and make no mistake about it short of going to a Super Bowl this is it for McCarthy. Everything is lining up for Peyton to be here next year. He gets his year off, McCarthy gets one more year of underachieving football and Jerry gets what he has coveted since he took that whoopin in Dallas back in ‘06. Give Mickey what he wants and you can have Sean. If there is ever a place where overrated under achieving coaches need to go it’s Dallas.

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I don't think that Sean Payton retired because of tampering. I think he retired cause he was surely burned out. On the other hand, he will have had a year off to rest and be able to judge the market better. I wish him well anywhere except Dallas. Although, he can go there and I'll take those draft picks. 3 1st round draft exactly. Lol

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Are the Chargers a better destination for SP? What team will give up the multitude of draft picks Saints will demand ?

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It doesn’t have to be one reason or the other. It could have been a combination of factors that “pushed” Payton to retire so to speak. Burn out, weariness from being screwed over by the league, not having Brees, not enough belief in his QBs, stress in dealing with Kamara’s legal issues and the doubts about Thomas’s return and the overall quality of the offense talent in general coupled with other things could have all been building up
in him. Then, along comes this Miami tampering/offer to Payton. Seems ignorant to deny that this outside influence COULD have played a factor and been the straw that broke the camel’s back.

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That's an even better idea. Take away the picks as described by the Dolphins and add compensatory (end of 3rd round) picks for the Saints and Pats. IMO if the league office is to be taken seriously about tampering, not only do they need to punish a team caught in serious violation, but they also need to compensate the team(s) victimized by the tampering. Since the player/coach were not actually poached (although it was attempted), a compensatory pick for each team seems fair. Maybe multiple compensatory picks for the Pats if it's been proven they were tampered with on more than one separate occasion.

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After BountyGate, suspension, Vicodin, divorce.... I am not sure the recent items amount to much more than background noise.

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Maybe not. Be he still had a high performing Brees/offense when those issues happened and he was still fairly young. I’m just saying it’s certainly possible that this tampering helped him decide to retire….even in a small amount. Why would there be a penalty for doing it if it weren’t possible?

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I remember seeing a special back in the day about coaching they spoke with Ditka, Vermeil, others and the point was brought up that after 10+ years in a job everybody in the building has heard everything you had to say.

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Agreed. I think the ironic (if that's the correct use of that term) thing about all this is that last season may have been one of his best jobs in terms of coaching.

Think about all the injuries and the fact that the WR group was already less than spectacular. Having that team in the playoff race right up until the end was incredible.

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Here's the official 21 page document on the anti-tampering policy of the league. It goes into great detail on what is and isn't tampering. It also references possible compensation to the offended club under specific circumstances under Section 7(e) ...

NFL ANTI-TAMPERING POLICY

Section 7(e)

Certification by Offended Club. The Commissioner may award compensation to the offended club if it certifies a complaint that initiates an investigation against the offending club. If the offended club declined or otherwise failed to certify such a complaint after the facts of the matter became known or reasonably should have become known to the offended club, the offended club may not receive any potential award of compensation.

If the offended club declined or otherwise failed to certify a complaint that initiates an investigation against the offending club, the offended club’s refusal or failure to certify such a complaint shall not preclude or limit in any way the Commissioner’s final and complete authority to impose discipline upon the offending club or any involved persons.

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What this is basically saying is that if the Saints, and/or the Patriots had introduced evidence of tampering involving their personnel they would have been eligible for some sort of compensation. If they didn't introduce the complaint they cannot receive any compensation.

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This is bout personal drivers and those vary from person to person almost as widely as opinions and they also evolve as a person progresses through their career goals.

Sean always seemed more like a chess player to me, played more for the thrill of the chase than the victory. With Drew he had the one piece that left him comfortable enough to experiment everywhere else, without Drew he was back to player development and something tells me that's not what kept him interested. Sean's happy place is plotting and scheming and I suspect the 'right fit' for him is a place with all the pieces and the freedom to plot and scheme.

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Tough to argue with that. Does a place with the pieces in place sound more like Dallas or LA Chargers?

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But...but....don't forget that the Saints are also convicted of bad behavior. :roll:

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same reaction i had when you posted that crap about russell wilson and food poisoning.... LMAO at ya:bng:

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Crap, I hit send on my reply but it isn't here. Sean Payton requires the one thing Jerry Jones will never give... autonomy. Dallas is out. Chargers would be the only option of the two.

The league must have a contract clause regarding communications that requires them to talk about Dallas every so many minutes which is why we get the annual Payton to Dallas hype BS. Yesterday on SiriusNFL the obligatory mention was "nothing is going on in Dallas". :bng:

This is off-season and 80% of the crap is just over hyped crap the remaining 20% is just over hyped and dramatized regular business.

Yesterday I heard "Tom Brady is missing 10 days of preseason but it was "pre-planned", well.. There is no such thing as "pre-planned", planned indicates premeditation and who in the f*** post-plans? lol.

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There's a little something to that... OTOH, this year's roster appears stacked like never before. What other franchise could possibly be as stacked to allow SP that kind of flexibility? Not many, if any. Saints appear rebuilt... good for the fans. Chargers do have a QB... but how's that ownership working out over there? Maybe we should ask the Mannings?

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Bold prediction: Sean comes back next year. Dennis is a team player and knowingly took the helm for a single season.

Super F**ing Bowl Championship 2023!:bng:

If you think about, as crazy as that sounds, its the only thing that really makes sense.

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"Irregardless" has that same effect on me.