Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints

BakoSaint · 08-03-2022, 06:55 PM

Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins:

Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023.

The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton.

The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division.

The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest.

The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2.

Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting.

AsylumGuido · 08-03-2022, 07:05 PM

All I can say about all of that is ...

stickman · 08-03-2022, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins:

Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023.

The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton.

The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division.

The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest.

The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2.

Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting.

Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing.

And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have.

Boston Saint · 08-03-2022, 08:56 PM

“The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”.

I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

AsylumGuido · 08-03-2022, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

“The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”.

I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

BakoSaint · 08-03-2022, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing.

And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have.

Everyone pays more with someone bidding against them.

neugey · 08-04-2022, 07:01 AM

I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing?

AsylumGuido · 08-04-2022, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing?

How would they accomplish that? Who would get the 2023 first and who would get 2024 third? I can see your point, but can't see any way to pull it off fairly without pissing off other teams. Apparently tampering at some level goes on all the time across the league from what I have read. The problem with Miami though is that they carried it to an extreme AND also threatened the "integrity of the game" with the blatant tanking wishes of the owner. That's why they threw the book at Ross, I believe.

lee909 · 08-07-2022, 08:47 PM

There was never going to be a bidding war imho
Payton held the cards on that, he will want the teams he wants and if the Saints want picks they will have to work with him. And i think the expectation of multiple 1sts was always a stretch

Though i do think he was shady as **** with the team talking behind their backs, and dont believe any it was his agent,they approached him etc. He was interested in ditching the team to go to Miami with Brady. For Miami it still might be worth doing the deal. They have a great roster already and if they can get Brady in FA next year, they still have a 1st to play with and not getting Brady/Payton and losing picks is probably worse than doubling down and ending up with nothing.

If Tua excels then i can see them changing the gameplan, is he doesnt i think the interest will still be there. Same with the Cowboys, if they start badly or have a bad stretch i can see them moving quickly.

I think if a deal gets done its more a 1+ 2nd or 3rd.
Otherwise he will just sit out a extra year

lee909 · 08-07-2022, 08:53 PM

Haslam comments are pretty disgusting on that statement

Talking about his remorse(he has shown none, other than paying people off) and then Haslam starting talking about triggering people. Slimeballs the lot of them, was disgusted the Saints even got involved in it all.

08-03-2022, 06:55 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins: Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023. The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton. The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division. The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest. The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2. Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints “The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”. I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint “The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”. I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

08-03-2022, 11:49 PM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by stickman Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing. And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have. Everyone pays more with someone bidding against them.
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stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,687	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by BakoSaint Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins: Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023. The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton. The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division. The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest. The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2. Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting. Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing. And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have.

08-04-2022, 08:43 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by neugey I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing? How would they accomplish that? Who would get the 2023 first and who would get 2024 third? I can see your point, but can't see any way to pull it off fairly without pissing off other teams. Apparently tampering at some level goes on all the time across the league from what I have read. The problem with Miami though is that they carried it to an extreme AND also threatened the "integrity of the game" with the blatant tanking wishes of the owner. That's why they threw the book at Ross, I believe.

08-07-2022, 08:47 PM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints There was never going to be a bidding war imho Payton held the cards on that, he will want the teams he wants and if the Saints want picks they will have to work with him. And i think the expectation of multiple 1sts was always a stretch Though i do think he was shady as **** with the team talking behind their backs, and dont believe any it was his agent,they approached him etc. He was interested in ditching the team to go to Miami with Brady. For Miami it still might be worth doing the deal. They have a great roster already and if they can get Brady in FA next year, they still have a 1st to play with and not getting Brady/Payton and losing picks is probably worse than doubling down and ending up with nothing. If Tua excels then i can see them changing the gameplan, is he doesnt i think the interest will still be there. Same with the Cowboys, if they start badly or have a bad stretch i can see them moving quickly. I think if a deal gets done its more a 1+ 2nd or 3rd. Otherwise he will just sit out a extra year
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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Haslam comments are pretty disgusting on that statement Talking about his remorse(he has shown none, other than paying people off) and then Haslam starting talking about triggering people. Slimeballs the lot of them, was disgusted the Saints even got involved in it all. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.