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Ian Book sucks !?

To be fair, nobody good played this game. Except maybe Olave and Pending.

Jury is still out not the RB battle.

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Think only DT played well was Roach. Huggins, Black, eenie meanie miney moe etc....all looked pretty bad. Sewell look nice. Ozigo ran well. Tony did too. Abram looked like he ran well when watching but the stats showed something different, the oline looked pretty bad too though. 55 looked 👌 Did Dowell see the field? He always making special teams plays and I feel like he has some Jo-lunn Funbar in him. Dixon on those last throws ran some lazy routes and.gave no real effort to catch the throws. Ian had some good and some not so good plays I honestly don't thing he played "bad" per say I actually like how he played insert oline play "here" along with his impatience. I do feel they gave him a good pocket at times and he broke bread a little too fast. Would like to see him sit and read a little more other than that he played fine IMO. I would like to see some mire diversity in the playbook next game I know It's pre-season but give me a lil something.

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Our poor defense against the cutback runs concerned me. And some bad penalties on both sides of the ball.
The big-time kicking of Lutz and Gillikin was the big bright spot.

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Don't forget that most of that poor defense isn't going to be on the team in ten days.

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Agree with all of this.

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He's not an NFL-caliber QB that's for sure.

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* Wil Lutz with a 59-yarder. I'd say he is ready for the season.

* Gillikin kicking the ball like it stole his girl. There was some real boomers in there.

* With the above two I'd say the kicking game is in good shape. Camp body missing a kick at the end of the game doesn't matter.

* Penning just keeps bodying players in the running game and I love it. He showed a slight improvement in pass pro and it looked like he tried to keep his hips square a lot more than last game.

* Tony Jones Jr. is the only RB that looked anywhere near decent. I don't see why Ozigbo is even on the roster right now.

* Jon Bostic looked pretty good. Might be a good depth signing for us.

* Ian Book looks indecisive and slow to read. If there are nobody open and the pocket are collapsing throw somebody open, run or throw it away. Don't always dump it to the RB with a LB steaming down on him.

* Passrush looked better but they need to finish plays.

* O-line as a unit was a patchwork and it showed. So much of what you do depends on you having practised with the guy next to you and being a well rehersed unit that can function as one. Didn't see that.

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My takeaways:
- Gilliken's leg is INSANE!!!
- Jones is a keeper as RB3.
- It's kinda crowded, but I like Ozigbo on the roster.
- Olave...yes, I'll have some more please!
- Penning is a beast on the runs. Let's work on that pass blocking though.
- Lutz! Welcome back Baby! We missed you!
- Hill seems like he's wound a little too tight. Maybe more reps with Dalton will show his worth?
- No real rough diamonds at WR beyond what we already have (plus Olave).
- Will Ruiz's obvious mental lapses ever end? I mean him actually picking up a Packer jersey downfield on that screen, instead of standing there gawking at the play still running probably cost a TD. Really, I'm done with this dude.
- Book. Don't need to read another chapter. Just close it because we know how it ends.

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Honestly Ruiz just infuriates me. The way he just stared at Jones instead of looking for someone to block, then he just got pushed into Jones and made the tackle himself.

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I don't like this, not one bit. You practice like you play.

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Not a fan of him as a head coach yet. He talks to the media as though he is addressing the players and you don't just "clean up" a lack of discipline... which is what excess penalties and a lack of ball control is.

We also have a scoring problem with 8 quarters of football and only 2 TDs.

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I'm not high on him. Payton give him everything he could to polish him up as a DC even a tutor, then handed over the keys to the kingdom. Now he's out of Paytons soft built nest. Not looking like those wings have any flap to them so far.

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I never liked Dennis Allen as a head coach. However, I’m not holding these pre season games against him. We saw a small glimpse of what I believe the Saints offense will look like on their first drive of the pre season. We also so what the defense is going to do in that first game as well. Half of these guys that were playing won’t be on the team soon. I can’t wait to see Winston, Kamara, Thomas, Landry, and Olave.

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It's just preseason where the top players haven't played and the play calling is vanilla. I was impressed with Dennis Allen's one game as HC last year against the Bucs and I'm betting he learned a lot from the Raiders experience.
This team will be great when the studs are in.

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I dont think preseason means anything but I do think previous regular seasons with other teams mean something. Based on that Dennis Allen’s tenure with the Raiders is more worrying than Jameis Winstons with the Bucs because a dumpster fire is harder to overcome than a mixed bag. I hope Dennis Allen becomes the next Belichick but I think the odds are that a consistent 4-12 guy does not make the playoffs. Its hard to reconcile with our improved roster but I feel DA is our biggest question mark, in addition to durability of an old and injury prone roster.

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Well, since you mentioned Belichick, his first 3 years as HC were losing records as well as 5 of his first 6 seasons. His last year in Cleveland he was 5-11 then he was 5-11 his next season (first at NE). The 4-12 record Allen had at the dysfunctional Raiders is more on the organization and talent level than his coaching IMO. Time will tell though.

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I'm ok with the team and coaching at this point. Holding judgement till after the real bullets fly. Pre season is pre season.

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Gospel!

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Me either. But I think mine is a bit more on a personal level. I just flat out miss Sean and Drew. I know you can't get that back. But that was just so much fun for so long. Losing Drew was inevitable. But to then lose Coach Payton right behind him was just kind of a lot to take. For me personally anyway.

So then you bring up the question of someone like Ian Book. Right now, there really is no reason for him to be with the Saints. And Payton was the guy that picked him. Garrett Grayson anyone?

I just hope Pete doesn't leave any time soon. There is no way DA can dial up the creative stuff Sean did.

I can remember a pre-game segment where Drew was talking about how much time Coach Payton and Carmichael put in each weak to be creative with the offense. So how does Dennis do this? Can he?. Or... Are we hoping to win some low scoring games? Is that even doable in this era? I doubt it.

I hope like hell he shows me something different.

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Dennis Allen doesn't have to be involved in the offense at all for it to be successful. Quite the contrary. He's said he's leaving that to Carmichael and his staff to handle. Don't forget the week that Payton missed due to injury and Carmichael's playcalling put up 60 points!

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Bill Belichick with the Browns faced much more adversity and produced much better results than Dennis Allen with the Raiders. Just about every indicator you look at looks better for Belichick with the Browns than Allen with the Raiders. The whole 'dysfunctional franchise' angle falls apart when you look at the details.

Belichick's worst season with the Browns was his final season when they went 5-11, but that was only after Art Modell announced the team was moving to Baltimore and set their season into chaos and a 1-6 finish after the announcement. Dennis Allen's best season with the Raiders was 4-12, worse than Belichick's worst. But maybe Dennis Allen inherited a worse team? Maybe they continued to struggle after he left because thats what the Raiders do? Except that's not the case, the Raiders were more of just mediocre before and after Allen's tenure, the Browns were worse. Allen inherited an 8-8 team that finished 7-9 the first full season after he left. Both better than any season when Allen ran the team. Compare to Belichick who inherited a 3-13 team that went 4-12 the first full season after he left, both worse than any season he coached. Dennis Allen's teams averaged 4 wins during his tenure vs 7.5 wins immediately before/after. Bill Belichick's Browns teams averaged 7.2 wins during his tenure vs 3.5 wins immediately before/after. Belichick made his teams 3.2 wins better and Allen made his teams 3.5 wins worse. If they both inherited 8-8 teams you would expect Belichick to go 11-5 and Allen 4-12. Allen did inherit an 8-8 team and went 4-12. Belichick inherited a 3-13 team so it took him a few seasons to get to 11-5 and then he fell to 5-11 amid a flurry of rumors that led to 4-5 start ending in an announcement of a move and name change that led to a 1-6 finish.

I hope Allen does great, but realistically he is inheriting a 9-8 team now and based on his coaching record alone, it would be reasonable to expect a 5-12 season, perhaps 4-13 if you account for the 0-4 start before Allen was fired from the Raiders. To succeed, he will need to up his coaching game greatly and take a next step, not be given excuses because he coached the Raiders.

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Damn you must have some free time on your hands to put all that together.

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People play candy crush. People watch reality television dating competitions. People spend time under overpasses on purpose to spray paint their nicknames where junkies and homeless will see them. So as hobbies with spare time go, i figure looking up and reporting some stats to back my feeling than allen with the raiders was worse than belichick with the browns is not the worst use of the most incredible amount of time. Look at the federalist papers. Folks used to write a lot of stuff about their opinions before we became a society of viral 144 character tweets and reaction videos with duck faces.

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You must have some free time to read that whole thing. :D

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Neither will the PUP::dunce:

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Sorry bako, but the Raiders were in much worse shape when Allen took over then the Browns were when Belichick took over. It’s not even close.

In the five years before Allen got there the Raiders win totals were 8, 8, 5, 5, and 4 (30 wins), NO playoff appearances. Plus, they hadn’t had a winning season in the nine years before (2002).

Now Let’s look at the Browns. In the five years before Bill took over; Win totals of 3,9,10,10, and 12 (44 wins) with FOUR Playoff appearances in 5 years.

In the 10 seasons between Gruden leaving and Allen the Raiders went through 6 coaches, none lasting over 2 seasons. In the 10 seasons before Bellichik?…3 coaches with 2 of them lasting over 4 seasons. So, what sounds like a more stable franchise?

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Just wait until the real games start.

The excuses are coming.

This was a reach in the 1st round.

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