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After watching the Dallas/Tampa game, seems to me….

Payton will likely by coaching Dallas after this year based on their performance.

Fournette could run over the Saints if improvements aren’t made.

Julio looks pretty darn good, though is likely to wear down over the course of a season.


I predict Carolina beats us once this year. Mayfield isn’t great, but we struggle with them (see last year). Hope I’m wrong.

It’s unfortunate that we have to play the Eagles out of the NFCE this year and Tampon got the Cowboys. Philly looks much better.

Thoughts ?

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As runners:

Cordarrelle Patterson > Fournette
Mariota >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brady

The Falcons' success running the ball was in large part on the legs of Mariota. Brady obviously is not the threat that the Falcons provided from the QB position. The Saints should be in a far better position stopping the run against the Bucs, especially based upon the rash of injuries to the Tampa offensive line.

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Except Patterson had 120 yards rushing and averaged 5.5 yards per carry.

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Absolutely! How much of that was because our defense had to keep an eye on Mariota? That's what I was talking about.

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LOL, sure twist the hell out of things Guido.

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Are you bored or something? "Let's see, what can I do? Oh! I'll see if I can start arguments with Guido all over the forum. Yeah! That's the ticket!"

Have you considered taking up knitting, Boston?

:D

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Small observation on the defensive side ...

The Saints defenders made numerous efforts to PUNCH OUT the ball from the runner. Maye (on Mariota) and so did Pete Werner (on #17).

Win the turnover battle & you'll always have a chance late.

Coach Kris Richard fingerprints all over this technique.

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You disagree with something I post twice and say I start the argument. Classic guido. Next you’ll say how you should ignore me!

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That’s about what you’re qualified for.

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Sure looks like Dallas will be after Payton. If thats the case, we need to win the staredown on compensation not master the excuse on losing it. Loomis does not have a winning streak going on trade compensation so hopefully if he is still around he will get tough. If Payton says he will only coach for Dallas, or whoever his preferred trade partner is, and they say they will only offer a 2nd or 3rd round pick, but meanwhile they are getting ready to print his face on $100 cheese pizzas in their multi billion dollar stadium, we need to have the cajones to tell them to kick rocks and that we are patient and fully willing to wait one or more years for fair compensation or to keep a super bowl winning coach off a competing team if they wont pay a fair price. If we trade him at a discount its worse than no compensation because it shows we are pushovers and any good coach or player we have will get robbed from us, teams will tamper and offer big money through back channels, get our employees to to act up, and lift them from us for peanuts. Got to get value.

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Concise and to the point.

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The extension that Sean Payton signed in 2019 was through 2024... He passed on 100MM from the Dolphins... and any team wanting him early would have to both compensate New Orleans but also get them to release him.

The Jerry himself -“For him, the Cowboys, that’s just sheer out of the air. It’s well known we’re good friends and we think a lot of him as a head coach. But in this case, asking the way you’re asking, he shouldn’t be a conversation piece.”

Doubt the Cowboys rumors are anything more than click bait. Jerry would LOVE nothing more than to throw Cowboys fans a bone by leaking Sean were going there if it were a possibility.

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So, that would be 2 off seasons Payton would still be under contract, correct?

I’ve not heard any new rumors, nor do I have inside info. I’m just thinking of the idea that Dallas WILL be looking for a new coach this off-season and they are likely to be a very high draft pick. If that opportunity arises, I’d strike while the iron is hot for a top 5 pick rather than wait for a couple seasons to see what may develop. After all, Sean has to WANT to go there too, right? Otherwise if the Saints play hardball too much he just waits enough time and we get nothing. He is a perishable commodity to us.

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Yes this is an onion regardless of how the talking heads portray it. Saints own the rights to Sean through 2024 and you are correct that's two seasons.

Quite a few stars have to align.
- Sean has to find what he called "the right fit".
- The Saints have to agree to releasing him. I wouldn't take a pick to let Sean go to the NFC South.
- The destination team has to offer something the Saints want. I suspect a 58yo winning-est coach for a franchise would be very expensive for a destination team.
- The destination team has to offer Sean something he wants. That Miami 100MM offer he turned down set a very high floor.


Lets assume all of the stars align... The Saints don't decide to hold on to his contract hoping he wants to come back to New Orleans after another year off, Dallas offers the moon to the Saints, and the Stars to Sean Payton.. While Sean and Jerry do have a good friendship, they are polar opposites in terms of Owner HC culture, Jerry can not keep his hands off and Sean requires autonomy. There would be a funeral after the first draft. I have some very close friends that I would never work with, and I believe that is where Sean is with Dallas/Jones.

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I imagine you may have already heard, but in his conversation with Cowherd yesterday he basically guaranteed he will return to coaching. Seems like the possibility of him doing a Bill Cowher and never returning are nil.

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Maybe Payton thought, or was even told, that he'd get a job in the booth after he left the Saints. All signs point to Payton going to the Cowboys but I hope other teams like the Broncos and even the Dolphins again go through a bidding war for him.

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Guards Andrus Peat and Cesar Ruiz were human turnstiles against an Atlanta defense that blitzed and battered QB Jameis Winston throughout the first half.


From the article Smash posted ^^^ ....

This is very concerning. Especially with the Bucs coming to town. Pass protection is critical for Jameis. Just ask Dallas. Dak is out for months with a broken hand.

Guard play has been the weak link in NO for a couple of seasons now.

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What you say makes sense Oak. But all the stars don’t have to align quite like that. I’m not hoping for a Dallas trade. My main point is the team has 2 off-seasons to get something/anything (could be a little, could be a lot) for Payton. Trying to be hard nosed about it is not going to help the front office. If you act like you’re willing to release him then you are likely to have more interested parties do drive up the asking price. From what I saw on Sunday evening and the previous years in Dallas I think it’s highly likely Dallas will have a Head coaching vacancy after this season. There is at least rumored mutual interest between the cowboys and Payton. Telling them to hit the road if they called would be unwise IMO. That kind of negotiating is what netted them so little for the CGJ trade.

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I agree with The Oak. I just don't see Payton as a fit with the Cowboys. His whole philosophy runs counter to everything that Jerry Jones insists upon from a head coach. People bring up the "past ties" with the Cowboys. That's been almost two decades ago. If McCarthy is gone after this season I see Dan Quinn as the much better fit. The players love him. He'll give way to Jerry's management style and he'll come at a bargain. Jerry loves his draft picks far too much to give them away.

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That’s fine Guido. But that is a lot different than your previous post of:

“I hope he tells Jones to go to hell and wait for the contract to expire.”

I think that would be the wrong move.

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How is that different? I hate the Cowboys with a passion. Just because they would be a bad fit for the Cowboys doesn't mean I would ever want him to go there. Anywhere but the Cowboys if he comes back.

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Week One was a pretty ideal week for the Saints. They beat a division rival on the road, the Panthers lost, and all the teams in the NFC West except the Seahawks:rolleyes: lost.
Like all the other teams in the league the Saints have some cleaning up to do but they're in a good spot to start the season.

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But in your emotional viewpoint, you wouldn’t trade him even if it was a good fit. WTF does it matter if he fits Dallas’ situation or not? That doesn’t matter to the Saints. You made an irrelevant post trying to explain how you “Just don’t see Payton as a fit” as a reason to argue against making a trade to Dallas when the truth is you wouldn’t do it just because it’s Dallas. THAT’S the difference.

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My God you are in the mood to argue today. Over anything. What is it with you, Boston?

:doh:

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I have a weird hunch of the older coaches - Carroll, Belichick, Reid might retire and Payton becomes a suitor. Again, just a hunch.

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Now Kansas City would be a perfect fit for Payton. He'd get Mahomes like he's always wanted. He'd get full autonomy. And best yet, he'd be in the AFC!

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Guido, have some self reflection. This entire thread was started by me making observations. You proceeded to disagree with me on at least two of them. Who is the one being argumentative? My God you dish it out but you won’t take it.

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I'm through with you for now, Boston. I am not playing your game.

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Oh what a surprise. Accuse me and run.

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I hate to say it, Boston, but I think your only option at this point is to block him. He's obviously not going anywhere. Your time on this site will get better. I speak from experience.

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Yes, please! Find someone else to argue with, Boston. I'm sick of it.

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Well, he’s run off a few users from this site. Apparently he’s proud of that. He’s obviously trying to bully me off as well. Only problem is I don’t run from bullies.

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If you can’t handle people responding to articles you post then DON’T POST ARTICLES !

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Yes he has. He's unquestionably the best troll I've ever witnessed online. But like I said, he's not going anywhere and he's ruining my favorite site on the internet. It's best just to blot him out of the experience and discuss the Saints with other people that are here to enjoy the camaraderie with other Saints fans.

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Sums it up

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I am not sure how the rights to coaches works. For players, if they retire and don't play, their rights don't toll, so Detroit and Indy hold the rights to Megatron and Luck until they die. I would be surprised if coaches contracts just expire while they are retired, I would think we hold the rights to Payton until he comes back and coaches 2-3 for us, so another team can never get him without trading with us.

I think the Monday Night game introduces Denver as another possible destination for Payton. They have an elite short QB, good receivers, and a questionable coach the new owners didnt hire, making bad decisions and unable to get the offense to work. Unfortunately Denver does not have 2023 1st or 2nd round picks due to the Wilson trade. So I think they could be a player but we would have to take 2024 and/or 2025 picks. The key thing is that we need a bidding war or a big offer. We can't allow a situation where Payton says he is only interested in 1 team and that team offers a 3rd round pick because they are bidding against nobody and we take it because we are afraid to get nothing. We have to make them afraid of not getting their coach and make whoever it is pay dearly.

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Coaching contracts don't toll. That was made clear by several sources as soon as his retirement announcement was made. Payton's contract will expire after the 2024 season.