Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.

AsylumGuido · 09-15-2022, 11:11 AM

I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about all of the complexities surrounding pass blocking, but I do know that there is far more to it than simple one on one blocking. I'd like to think adjustments were made at halftime and that those mental errors will be corrected with practice as the season progresses.

Crusader · 09-15-2022, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about all of the complexities surrounding pass blocking, but I do know that there is far more to it than simple one on one blocking. I'd like to think adjustments were made at halftime and that those mental errors will be corrected with practice as the season progresses.

Well really if you wanna dumb it down its either man on man blocking or slide protection where you move to and block everything that shows up on the side you are sliding to.

If you wanna make it a litte more complex you have all sorts of mixes of the two. When you start involving RBs and chip blocks, passing defenders down the line, cross blocking in pass pro and such, well then it gets hard pretty quick

I used to run the "3 jet" protection, we called it ABC because those were the gaps we slid to with a Larry or Ringo tag to know what side to slid to. We had man blocking on the backside, just like the Saints, if they had a 6th rusher the RB would have to pick him up, working to the backside or the QB could send the RB on a route and be responsible for that passrusher himself.
At times it will happen during games that the QB (or C, depending who makes the protection calls) will call a protection going the wrong way just because you get caught up in it all, I would not be surprised if that was what happened here and that stuff will get cleaned up. Usually you enable the other O-line players to make a correcting call if a bad one is made, or if they see a potential blitzer creeping towards the LOS that the QB or center havn't seen.

AsylumGuido · 09-15-2022, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Well really if you wanna dumb it down its either man on man blocking or slide protection where you move to and block everything that shows up on the side you are sliding to.

If you wanna make it a litte more complex you have all sorts of mixes of the two. When you start involving RBs and chip blocks, passing defenders down the line, cross blocking in pass pro and such, well then it gets hard pretty quick

I used to run the "3 jet" protection, we called it ABC because those were the gaps we slid to with a Larry or Ringo tag to know what side to slid to. We had man blocking on the backside, just like the Saints, if they had a 6th rusher the RB would have to pick him up, working to the backside or the QB could send the RB on a route and be responsible for that passrusher himself.
At times it will happen during games that the QB (or C, depending who makes the protection calls) will call a protection going the wrong way just because you get caught up in it all, I would not be surprised if that was what happened here and that stuff will get cleaned up. Usually you enable the other O-line players to make a correcting call if a bad one is made, or if they see a potential blitzer creeping towards the LOS that the QB or center havn't seen.

Boston Saint · 09-15-2022, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Maybe go back to knitting?

I couldn't resist Guido.

AsylumGuido · 09-15-2022, 03:28 PM

It's easy to understand how blocking assignments can be missed. Especially when the defense is doing their best to disguise what they are bringing. I have heard more times than I can count how what looks to be a bad play by one player to the untrained eye actually falls on the shoulders of another as seen by someone that knows what they are seeing.

AsylumGuido · 09-15-2022, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Maybe go back to knitting?

I couldn't resist Guido.

I don't have the patience to knit. Give me a system that needs designed and programmed and I'd dive right into it. Been retired now for seven years and finally got a chance to design an accounting system for my wife's side business. That's more my speed.

09-15-2022, 11:11 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1. I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about all of the complexities surrounding pass blocking, but I do know that there is far more to it than simple one on one blocking. I'd like to think adjustments were made at halftime and that those mental errors will be corrected with practice as the season progresses.

09-15-2022, 02:58 PM	#2
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,051	Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about all of the complexities surrounding pass blocking, but I do know that there is far more to it than simple one on one blocking. I'd like to think adjustments were made at halftime and that those mental errors will be corrected with practice as the season progresses. Well really if you wanna dumb it down its either man on man blocking or slide protection where you move to and block everything that shows up on the side you are sliding to. If you wanna make it a litte more complex you have all sorts of mixes of the two. When you start involving RBs and chip blocks, passing defenders down the line, cross blocking in pass pro and such, well then it gets hard pretty quick I used to run the "3 jet" protection, we called it ABC because those were the gaps we slid to with a Larry or Ringo tag to know what side to slid to. We had man blocking on the backside, just like the Saints, if they had a 6th rusher the RB would have to pick him up, working to the backside or the QB could send the RB on a route and be responsible for that passrusher himself. At times it will happen during games that the QB (or C, depending who makes the protection calls) will call a protection going the wrong way just because you get caught up in it all, I would not be surprised if that was what happened here and that stuff will get cleaned up. Usually you enable the other O-line players to make a correcting call if a bad one is made, or if they see a potential blitzer creeping towards the LOS that the QB or center havn't seen. iceshack149, leilung and AsylumGuido like this.
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09-15-2022, 03:01 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1. Originally Posted by Crusader Well really if you wanna dumb it down its either man on man blocking or slide protection where you move to and block everything that shows up on the side you are sliding to. If you wanna make it a litte more complex you have all sorts of mixes of the two. When you start involving RBs and chip blocks, passing defenders down the line, cross blocking in pass pro and such, well then it gets hard pretty quick I used to run the "3 jet" protection, we called it ABC because those were the gaps we slid to with a Larry or Ringo tag to know what side to slid to. We had man blocking on the backside, just like the Saints, if they had a 6th rusher the RB would have to pick him up, working to the backside or the QB could send the RB on a route and be responsible for that passrusher himself. At times it will happen during games that the QB (or C, depending who makes the protection calls) will call a protection going the wrong way just because you get caught up in it all, I would not be surprised if that was what happened here and that stuff will get cleaned up. Usually you enable the other O-line players to make a correcting call if a bad one is made, or if they see a potential blitzer creeping towards the LOS that the QB or center havn't seen. Crusader likes this.

09-15-2022, 03:09 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Maybe go back to knitting? I couldn't resist Guido.

09-15-2022, 03:28 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1. It's easy to understand how blocking assignments can be missed. Especially when the defense is doing their best to disguise what they are bringing. I have heard more times than I can count how what looks to be a bad play by one player to the untrained eye actually falls on the shoulders of another as seen by someone that knows what they are seeing.

09-15-2022, 03:36 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Maybe go back to knitting? I couldn't resist Guido. I don't have the patience to knit. Give me a system that needs designed and programmed and I'd dive right into it. Been retired now for seven years and finally got a chance to design an accounting system for my wife's side business. That's more my speed.