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Bad Throws, bad calls, and fumbles besides; the refs were never gonna let the Saints win this game. This was a big of a screw job as the NFCCG pass interference no call. How does Lattimore get Taunted by Brady, hit by Fournette, blindsided by Thomas (edit Evans) (with a running start) and the result is offsetting penalties/ejections? How the hell do they give Tampa a first down after stopped on 4th and short? I can take watching the Saints lose a game where they play poorly and the other team beats them. I can’t take watching a game where both teams are struggling and the refs toss one team a lifeline and the other team an anchor. Complete and udder BS from a fixed league kissing Brady’s butt.

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Give more reps to Washington & TJJ this week. They both looked good running.

Vet or no vet, "good punch out or not", you simply cannot FUMBLE the ball MI. He took points off the board. At worst, we were going up by 3 while Brady was having a hissy fit with his tablet.

That was a HUGE momentum swing. Huge.

Hopefully we get AK back this week vs Carolina.

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This exactly! And not having Kamara was huge, as well. Just the threat of Kamara being out there changes both the offensive and opponents' defensive options.

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Look the Ingram fumble was bad, but that punch out of the ball was perfectly executed. I don't think there is a RB in the league that would have held on to the ball on that punch-out. Peanut would be proud. Play calling was terrible. Don't know why we needed to try all the deep throws to Olave. 1-6 with 2 turnovers. Give me 7-10 yard slants and moving the chains all day. We were gashing them running the ball. Need to run at least 30 times a game. Winston tried to force too many passes. He's got to take what the defense is giving him. D play was borderline great. Just a couple missed assignments but usually it was when a there was a change in coverage. I understand not blitzing Brady but 3 and 4 man rush majority of the time ain't going to get it done against him either. Send a 5th guy at least once a possession. It's a long season and the starters are just starting to play together. They will get better.

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We ran the ball well.
The screens and swing passes were working. I thought the RB’s played well(-fumble) in AK’s absence. The play calling and Jameis’ decision making killed drives.
I saw MT wide open on 2 of the INT’s. Winston is gonna have to take a page from Drew’s book and take what the D gives you.
On the pick6, Mike is standing in the middle of the field with no defender within 10 yards.
We have to do better.

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Stop force feeding Olave.

He was targeted at least 12 times on yesterday.

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I felt the defense played good as a whole. You can't expect them to hold forever when the offense turns the ball over so much. And that first touchdown was a gift from the refs with three mystery flags.

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Every qb has a bad game or two. Even Rodgers and Brady. Now if it’s going on five games then you can start to wonder. But to me I think the offense problem is the play calling, the o-lines inability to recognize where the blitz is coming from, and a gelling issue. The D-line not feasting on a make shift Tampa o-line is a cause for concern too. I also feel you should play starters in the preseason for at least a quarter for two of the games.

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Home Field advantage too.... LMFAO:dunce:

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uh.... no. SMH:dunce:

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I've got to agree with what Underhill says here. Brady was getting that ball out fast. There really wasn't much of an opportunity to put pressure on him.

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Thomas has 122 yards and 3 TD's in two games. He's the least of the Saints problems. But I know what you're saying.

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SMH how MT’s name is even being discussed in a negative light today.

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Bahahahaha! Mappy you gotta stop! You're killing me!

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Pat Kerwin - “Time to start Dalton and let Winston rest. You aren’t going to beat any teams taking 6 sacks and throwing 3 INTs. You have a healthy QB with starting experience, use him. It’s not about being loyal, it’s about being smart with what you have.”

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Gotta play who you think gives you the best chance.

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Watch out, Oak! You'll get criticized for repeating anything that comes from an NFL Radio's Moving The Chains host. I've been informed that none of them know what they are talking about. :D

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There's no way one can identify who's to blame (Ramczyk or Ruiz) on this unimpeded rush without knowing the protection call. Ramcyzk leaves 54 to pick up nobody then can't get back in time. Not sure what's happening here.

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Everybody has to take responsibility for that loss IMO. Your best WR as well. Just saying for the team it’s a reflection moment for everyone.

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As expected my crap box Pat/Brady fan poker buddies are ribbing me pretty hard. Good thing I’m a calm guy who doesn’t like to argue or get into confrontations.

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Damn, maybe it’s my fault. I was drinking Abita beer last Sunday. I drank Busch this last game. My Bad all! You all better send me some Abita Springs for next week cause it’s hard to find here. Purple Haze is my fav but I’m not picky.

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Werner was solid. Our guys were held all day. Have ya'll seen the hold on Cam on the touchdown throw by TB?

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A wise old Sage one time pontificated, "Everybody has to take responsibility for that loss IMO. Your best LB as well. Just saying for the team it’s a reflection moment for everyone."

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You got me there Guido!

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Never been on the Winston wagon. Was glad he was on Tampa's team. Have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his back is that bad... please start Dalton! If we do... don't think we'll go back.

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Agree with you if Winston is hurt Thirty.

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So here are some interesting stats :

Matt Stafford and Andrew Dalton are both 34.

Stafford career TD/INT % are 4.7 and 2.4.

Dalton is 4.5 and 2.7.

Stafford career W-L is 87-96.
Dalton is 77-69.

Stafford averages 7.2 YPA with 272 YPG.
Dalton averages 7.0 with 233 YPG.

Career completion % Stafford 63.1.
Career completion % Dalton 62.2.

If Dalton plays I feel pretty good.

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Werner played his butt off. I saw him meeting Fournette in the hole a couple of plays.

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Werner is one of those guys that you can tell just gets it.

He is fundamentally strong, which is great for a 2nd year player and he plays with an intensity that matches Demario.

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I just came from the store and I wanted to try something different. I almost grabbed that Purple Haze. But I went with my fav, Voodoo Ranger.
Glad you put the loss on your shoulders. Thought it was my fault, watching the game sober.

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Yes!! My favorite! Voodoo Ranger Imperial Ale. Always have it on hand. Regular stock. About to put homemade pizza in the oven and plan on having one with it after finishing off the Malbec wine.

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Same here. I've never thought he was that great but hoped he'd change my mind. I even ate some crow last week when he played lights out in the 4th. I thought maybe I was being too hard on him. Idk about that anymore.

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Fair enough. Just like everything else it’s a mix. Lots of QBs better than him like Fouts, Marino, and Moon never won it while guys worse than him like Dilfer, Flacco, and Foles did.

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The Bills may go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. The team I'm watching looks ridiculous. Allen has surpassed Mahomes just as I expected. I think we need to go back to the drawing board. Experiment this season and get a QB in the draft. We can't beat them with the QBs on our roster.

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Lots of people are bagging on Winston for this loss but nobody is bagging on Mickey Loomis for trading our 1st round pick next year to Philly, who may win the Superbowl and get to draft top 5 while getting one of our best young defenders for a third day draft pick. Winston is one dude. Loomis assembled the entire 53 man roster that lost this game, while committing more 2023 cap dollars than any other team and robbing our 2023 draft to do it. He also hired the coaches who made this game plan. He also brought back Ingram. He paid Taysom Hill $10 million to run a few wildcat snaps between casts and concussions. He did less with more than any team in the league. Winston looked questionable, but people need to look a litte higher up the chain of command too. He tried damn hard to get us Watson for a record contract and all our draft picks forever. He ain’t a good GM. He got lucky once with Brees unlikely shoulder recovery and ever since then he is more like the CEO of Sears delaying our cap bankruptcy forever and not a good GM. Yes we probably need another QB. But to get a great one we probably need a stockpile of draft picks not a deficit, or lots of cap space not the least in the league. So, we need a new GM.

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I have never liked Winston and would take one of the Billy Jo's over him.

Play Dalton and let him get some chemistry with WR's!!

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... well Gayle Benson employs Mickey Loomis, and Gayle is the fruit of Mr. Francis J. LaJaunie and Mrs. Marie LaJaunie who's union was made possible by God.

We need a new God. :bng:

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ROFL You CRAZY!!!