New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers | 2022 NFL Week 2

papz · 09-19-2022, 08:38 AM

New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen:

On Marshon Lattimore being disqualified:

"He (Mike Evans) was the first one to push and shove Lattimore, but I've been around this league long enough; usually they don't get the instigator, they usually get the responder. I think what happened after that was a little bit excessive so we will see how that goes."

On his thoughts if Jameis Winston's back was bothering him and affecting his play:

"No I didn't really see that, necessarily. Again, that is probably a question for him a little bit more. That is a good defense that we played. They do a pretty good job in terms of their rush coverage and some of their pressure packages, so we will get back and look at the tape and see where we can improve. There are a couple of throws we missed that he typically wouldn't. We will have to evaluate the tape and see."

On his plan for Jameis before the game if there was any question of him not being able to play:

"No, he was going."

On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

On if the disqualification was the factor of the momentum change:

"I don't think that was a factor. I mean we lost momentum and we lost momentum because we turned the ball over. I don't think that was the factor."

On the decision to not kick a field goal before the half:

"Look, we knew this was going to be a field position game, which it was. Unfortunately, we played the game on our end of the field a little bit too much the first half, but it was a three to nothing game at that point in time and I didn't feel like taking an opportunity on a long field goal at that point in the game was the right thing to do."

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K Major · 09-19-2022, 09:17 AM

On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

Ya think?

mapcow · 09-19-2022, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

Ya think?

Game changer for Bucs.... Saints taking the field at kickoff

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

Ya think?

Like I said in the observation thread, the atmosphere in the dome changed completely after that fumble. Day to night. The crowd was still electric. Bucs fans sitting around us were complaining about how the Saints always gave them fits. Ingram fumbles and a hush came over the crowd. The noisemaking when Tampa had the ball went from deafening to less than half the volume right away the very next play.

That's not saying the loss can be penned on Ingram solely, but that's the play that made the most obvious impact in person.

NOLA54 · 09-19-2022, 11:25 AM

Winston's back is a huge issue. What would you be doing if you had 4 fractures of your vertebrae? It affects his mobility in the pocket which is why he is being sacked.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2022, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

Winston's back is a huge issue. What would you be doing if you had 4 fractures of your vertebrae? It affects his mobility in the pocket which is why he is being sacked.

It depends. From what I read the fractures are in L-1 thru L-4. That's basically down near the "tailbone". It really shouldn't affect his mobility other than with any possible pain. There are ways to completely eliminate the pain. I know. I get ESI's Epidural Steroid Injections) and RFA's (Radio Frequency Ablation) multiple times per year on my cervical region (C-4 thru C-7). Especially with the RFA's it goes from constant severe pain to virtually no pain with all of the nerve endings being burned away. This can last from several weeks to several months. I can go from not being able to comfortably read a book to being able to play 18 holes of golf after one procedure.

They can also get local pain killing injections which will last for several hours.

Budsdrinker · 09-19-2022, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It depends. From what I read the fractures are in L-1 thru L-4. That's basically down near the "tailbone". It really shouldn't affect his mobility other than with any possible pain. There are ways to completely eliminate the pain. I know. I get ESI's Epidural Steroid Injections) and RFA's (Radio Frequency Ablation) multiple times per year on my cervical region (C-4 thru C-7). Especially with the RFA's it goes from constant severe pain to virtually no pain with all of the nerve endings being burned away. This can last from several weeks to several months. I can go from not being able to comfortably read a book to being able to play 18 holes of golf after one procedure.

They can also get local pain killing injections which will last for several hours.

L1-L4 will definitely affect mobility. L2-L3 affects the hips and to the knee. I know this for a fact because I'm waiting for insurance approval for a fusion between L1-L3 now. L4-L5 affects the thighs through calves and sometimes all the way down to the ankles. I had those fused last year. So yes, L1-L4 is affecting his mobility.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2022, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

L1-L4 will definitely affect mobility. L2-L3 affects the hips and to the knee. I know this for a fact because I'm waiting for insurance approval for a fusion between L1-L3 now. L4-L5 affects the thighs through calves and sometimes all the way down to the ankles. I had those fused last year. So yes, L1-L4 is affecting his mobility.

Is it stenosis? If so, then yes. What you have sounds like stenosis or some other affliction affecting the nerves running from the spinal cord to the extremities, right? Thus the need for fusion. And that definitely affects mobility. Big time.

I would assume what Winston is dealing with is not affecting the spinal cord itself and is simply fractures to the bones themselves and not affecting the spinal cord. If it was a spinal issue like yours there's no way they'd allow him to play.

Fractures would just be localized pain. That's what I have basically, except mine are bone spurs in the facet joints from arthritis. Hairline fractures, like spurs, wouldn't affect the mobility of my arms and hands which are associated with C-4 - C-7 beyond the pain of the local area. Killing that pain eliminates all of my issues with mobility. I would assume the same goes for the lumbar region as long as no spinal issues are involved.

Budsdrinker · 09-19-2022, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Is it stenosis? If so, then yes. What you have sounds like stenosis or some other affliction affecting the nerves running from the spinal cord to the extremities, right? Thus the need for fusion. And that definitely affects mobility. Big time.

I would assume what Winston is dealing with is not affecting the spinal cord itself and is simply fractures to the bones themselves and not affecting the spinal cord. If it was a spinal issue like yours there's no way they'd allow him to play.

Fractures would just be localized pain. That's what I have basically, except mine are bone spurs in the facet joints from arthritis. Hairline fractures, like spurs, wouldn't affect the mobility of my arms and hands which are associated with C-4 - C-7 beyond the pain of the local area. Killing that pain eliminates all of my issues with mobility. I would assume the same goes for the lumbar region as long as no spinal issues are involved.

Yes, mine is affecting the nerves. I would also think with the fractures that there is inflammation that is affecting the nerves as well. Regardless it's all about pain tolerance and how you react to shooting pains in your legs with certain movements. I still do most things, (stopped playing golf last month) and just deal with the pain but it does affect mobility. Budweiser, whiskey and Advil helps. Don't think Winston can do that.

dizzle88 · 09-19-2022, 05:24 PM

I get that Winston wanted to show heart, but let's be real here, he isn't Drew Brees.

Brees with 4 fractures was still better than 95% of NFL starters.
Winston, even uninjured, is not a very good QB.

Ive sided with him, as I wanted him to do well, but I don't think he's the future. I think his performance last week in Q4, was more a product of the Falcons ineptitude, than it was of Winston playing well.

Taysom may not have been perfect, but he didn't unravel like that.

This offense, with this many weapons, should not be going into the 4th quarter with 3 points on the board.

Pete C and DA need to do something, because the offense unfortunately looked a lot like last year, when we believed that Payton was holding Winston back and the lack of talent at WR was hurting the offense.

Winston now has 2 all pros and 1 first round pick starting at receiver and can't get them the ball?

As for Ingram, remember when he fumbled Vs Seattle and Payton benched him. That needs to happen.

09-19-2022, 08:38 AM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen: On Marshon Lattimore being disqualified: "He (Mike Evans) was the first one to push and shove Lattimore, but I've been around this league long enough; usually they don't get the instigator, they usually get the responder. I think what happened after that was a little bit excessive so we will see how that goes." On his thoughts if Jameis Winston's back was bothering him and affecting his play: "No I didn't really see that, necessarily. Again, that is probably a question for him a little bit more. That is a good defense that we played. They do a pretty good job in terms of their rush coverage and some of their pressure packages, so we will get back and look at the tape and see where we can improve. There are a couple of throws we missed that he typically wouldn't. We will have to evaluate the tape and see." On his plan for Jameis before the game if there was any question of him not being able to play: "No, he was going." On late third quarter fumble: "That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game." On if the disqualification was the factor of the momentum change: "I don't think that was a factor. I mean we lost momentum and we lost momentum because we turned the ball over. I don't think that was the factor." On the decision to not kick a field goal before the half: "Look, we knew this was going to be a field position game, which it was. Unfortunately, we played the game on our end of the field a little bit too much the first half, but it was a three to nothing game at that point in time and I didn't feel like taking an opportunity on a long field goal at that point in the game was the right thing to do." Read more
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 On late third quarter fumble: "That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game." Ya think? AsylumGuido, Pete and Lord_Saint83 like this.

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mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,818	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 Originally Posted by K Major On late third quarter fumble: "That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game." Ya think? Game changer for Bucs.... Saints taking the field at kickoff
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 Originally Posted by K Major On late third quarter fumble: "That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game." Ya think? Like I said in the observation thread, the atmosphere in the dome changed completely after that fumble. Day to night. The crowd was still electric. Bucs fans sitting around us were complaining about how the Saints always gave them fits. Ingram fumbles and a hush came over the crowd. The noisemaking when Tampa had the ball went from deafening to less than half the volume right away the very next play. That's not saying the loss can be penned on Ingram solely, but that's the play that made the most obvious impact in person.

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 Winston's back is a huge issue. What would you be doing if you had 4 fractures of your vertebrae? It affects his mobility in the pocket which is why he is being sacked. Boston Saint likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 Originally Posted by NOLA54 Winston's back is a huge issue. What would you be doing if you had 4 fractures of your vertebrae? It affects his mobility in the pocket which is why he is being sacked. It depends. From what I read the fractures are in L-1 thru L-4. That's basically down near the "tailbone". It really shouldn't affect his mobility other than with any possible pain. There are ways to completely eliminate the pain. I know. I get ESI's Epidural Steroid Injections) and RFA's (Radio Frequency Ablation) multiple times per year on my cervical region (C-4 thru C-7). Especially with the RFA's it goes from constant severe pain to virtually no pain with all of the nerve endings being burned away. This can last from several weeks to several months. I can go from not being able to comfortably read a book to being able to play 18 holes of golf after one procedure. They can also get local pain killing injections which will last for several hours.
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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It depends. From what I read the fractures are in L-1 thru L-4. That's basically down near the "tailbone". It really shouldn't affect his mobility other than with any possible pain. There are ways to completely eliminate the pain. I know. I get ESI's Epidural Steroid Injections) and RFA's (Radio Frequency Ablation) multiple times per year on my cervical region (C-4 thru C-7). Especially with the RFA's it goes from constant severe pain to virtually no pain with all of the nerve endings being burned away. This can last from several weeks to several months. I can go from not being able to comfortably read a book to being able to play 18 holes of golf after one procedure. They can also get local pain killing injections which will last for several hours. L1-L4 will definitely affect mobility. L2-L3 affects the hips and to the knee. I know this for a fact because I'm waiting for insurance approval for a fusion between L1-L3 now. L4-L5 affects the thighs through calves and sometimes all the way down to the ankles. I had those fused last year. So yes, L1-L4 is affecting his mobility. iceshack149, turbo_dog and Rsanders24 like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 Originally Posted by Budsdrinker L1-L4 will definitely affect mobility. L2-L3 affects the hips and to the knee. I know this for a fact because I'm waiting for insurance approval for a fusion between L1-L3 now. L4-L5 affects the thighs through calves and sometimes all the way down to the ankles. I had those fused last year. So yes, L1-L4 is affecting his mobility. Is it stenosis? If so, then yes. What you have sounds like stenosis or some other affliction affecting the nerves running from the spinal cord to the extremities, right? Thus the need for fusion. And that definitely affects mobility. Big time. I would assume what Winston is dealing with is not affecting the spinal cord itself and is simply fractures to the bones themselves and not affecting the spinal cord. If it was a spinal issue like yours there's no way they'd allow him to play. Fractures would just be localized pain. That's what I have basically, except mine are bone spurs in the facet joints from arthritis. Hairline fractures, like spurs, wouldn't affect the mobility of my arms and hands which are associated with C-4 - C-7 beyond the pain of the local area. Killing that pain eliminates all of my issues with mobility. I would assume the same goes for the lumbar region as long as no spinal issues are involved.
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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Is it stenosis? If so, then yes. What you have sounds like stenosis or some other affliction affecting the nerves running from the spinal cord to the extremities, right? Thus the need for fusion. And that definitely affects mobility. Big time. I would assume what Winston is dealing with is not affecting the spinal cord itself and is simply fractures to the bones themselves and not affecting the spinal cord. If it was a spinal issue like yours there's no way they'd allow him to play. Fractures would just be localized pain. That's what I have basically, except mine are bone spurs in the facet joints from arthritis. Hairline fractures, like spurs, wouldn't affect the mobility of my arms and hands which are associated with C-4 - C-7 beyond the pain of the local area. Killing that pain eliminates all of my issues with mobility. I would assume the same goes for the lumbar region as long as no spinal issues are involved. Yes, mine is affecting the nerves. I would also think with the fractures that there is inflammation that is affecting the nerves as well. Regardless it's all about pain tolerance and how you react to shooting pains in your legs with certain movements. I still do most things, (stopped playing golf last month) and just deal with the pain but it does affect mobility. Budweiser, whiskey and Advil helps. Don't think Winston can do that. AsylumGuido likes this.

09-19-2022, 05:24 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen, players talk about loss to Tampa Bay Buccaneers \| 2022 NFL Week 2 I get that Winston wanted to show heart, but let's be real here, he isn't Drew Brees. Brees with 4 fractures was still better than 95% of NFL starters. Winston, even uninjured, is not a very good QB. Ive sided with him, as I wanted him to do well, but I don't think he's the future. I think his performance last week in Q4, was more a product of the Falcons ineptitude, than it was of Winston playing well. Taysom may not have been perfect, but he didn't unravel like that. This offense, with this many weapons, should not be going into the 4th quarter with 3 points on the board. Pete C and DA need to do something, because the offense unfortunately looked a lot like last year, when we believed that Payton was holding Winston back and the lack of talent at WR was hurting the offense. Winston now has 2 all pros and 1 first round pick starting at receiver and can't get them the ball? As for Ingram, remember when he fumbled Vs Seattle and Payton benched him. That needs to happen.
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