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New Orleans Saints Coach Dennis Allen:

On Marshon Lattimore being disqualified:

"He (Mike Evans) was the first one to push and shove Lattimore, but I've been around this league long enough; usually they don't get the instigator, they usually get the responder. I think what happened after that was a little bit excessive so we will see how that goes."

On his thoughts if Jameis Winston's back was bothering him and affecting his play:

"No I didn't really see that, necessarily. Again, that is probably a question for him a little bit more. That is a good defense that we played. They do a pretty good job in terms of their rush coverage and some of their pressure packages, so we will get back and look at the tape and see where we can improve. There are a couple of throws we missed that he typically wouldn't. We will have to evaluate the tape and see."

On his plan for Jameis before the game if there was any question of him not being able to play:

"No, he was going."

On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

On if the disqualification was the factor of the momentum change:

"I don't think that was a factor. I mean we lost momentum and we lost momentum because we turned the ball over. I don't think that was the factor."

On the decision to not kick a field goal before the half:

"Look, we knew this was going to be a field position game, which it was. Unfortunately, we played the game on our end of the field a little bit too much the first half, but it was a three to nothing game at that point in time and I didn't feel like taking an opportunity on a long field goal at that point in the game was the right thing to do."

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On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

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On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

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Game changer for Bucs.... Saints taking the field at kickoff
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Old 09-19-2022, 11:12 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by K Major View Post
On late third quarter fumble:

"That was a game-changer I think the ball was on 10-yard line at that point in time and we were in a good position with how we were playing defense that if we were able to put some points on the board; I think there was a minute to go in the third quarter when that happened so I thought that was a momentum changer in the game."

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Like I said in the observation thread, the atmosphere in the dome changed completely after that fumble. Day to night. The crowd was still electric. Bucs fans sitting around us were complaining about how the Saints always gave them fits. Ingram fumbles and a hush came over the crowd. The noisemaking when Tampa had the ball went from deafening to less than half the volume right away the very next play.

That's not saying the loss can be penned on Ingram solely, but that's the play that made the most obvious impact in person.
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Winston's back is a huge issue. What would you be doing if you had 4 fractures of your vertebrae? It affects his mobility in the pocket which is why he is being sacked.
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Originally Posted by NOLA54 View Post
Winston's back is a huge issue. What would you be doing if you had 4 fractures of your vertebrae? It affects his mobility in the pocket which is why he is being sacked.
It depends. From what I read the fractures are in L-1 thru L-4. That's basically down near the "tailbone". It really shouldn't affect his mobility other than with any possible pain. There are ways to completely eliminate the pain. I know. I get ESI's Epidural Steroid Injections) and RFA's (Radio Frequency Ablation) multiple times per year on my cervical region (C-4 thru C-7). Especially with the RFA's it goes from constant severe pain to virtually no pain with all of the nerve endings being burned away. This can last from several weeks to several months. I can go from not being able to comfortably read a book to being able to play 18 holes of golf after one procedure.

They can also get local pain killing injections which will last for several hours.

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It depends. From what I read the fractures are in L-1 thru L-4. That's basically down near the "tailbone". It really shouldn't affect his mobility other than with any possible pain. There are ways to completely eliminate the pain. I know. I get ESI's Epidural Steroid Injections) and RFA's (Radio Frequency Ablation) multiple times per year on my cervical region (C-4 thru C-7). Especially with the RFA's it goes from constant severe pain to virtually no pain with all of the nerve endings being burned away. This can last from several weeks to several months. I can go from not being able to comfortably read a book to being able to play 18 holes of golf after one procedure.

They can also get local pain killing injections which will last for several hours.
L1-L4 will definitely affect mobility. L2-L3 affects the hips and to the knee. I know this for a fact because I'm waiting for insurance approval for a fusion between L1-L3 now. L4-L5 affects the thighs through calves and sometimes all the way down to the ankles. I had those fused last year. So yes, L1-L4 is affecting his mobility.
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L1-L4 will definitely affect mobility. L2-L3 affects the hips and to the knee. I know this for a fact because I'm waiting for insurance approval for a fusion between L1-L3 now. L4-L5 affects the thighs through calves and sometimes all the way down to the ankles. I had those fused last year. So yes, L1-L4 is affecting his mobility.
Is it stenosis? If so, then yes. What you have sounds like stenosis or some other affliction affecting the nerves running from the spinal cord to the extremities, right? Thus the need for fusion. And that definitely affects mobility. Big time.

I would assume what Winston is dealing with is not affecting the spinal cord itself and is simply fractures to the bones themselves and not affecting the spinal cord. If it was a spinal issue like yours there's no way they'd allow him to play.

Fractures would just be localized pain. That's what I have basically, except mine are bone spurs in the facet joints from arthritis. Hairline fractures, like spurs, wouldn't affect the mobility of my arms and hands which are associated with C-4 - C-7 beyond the pain of the local area. Killing that pain eliminates all of my issues with mobility. I would assume the same goes for the lumbar region as long as no spinal issues are involved.

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Is it stenosis? If so, then yes. What you have sounds like stenosis or some other affliction affecting the nerves running from the spinal cord to the extremities, right? Thus the need for fusion. And that definitely affects mobility. Big time.

I would assume what Winston is dealing with is not affecting the spinal cord itself and is simply fractures to the bones themselves and not affecting the spinal cord. If it was a spinal issue like yours there's no way they'd allow him to play.

Fractures would just be localized pain. That's what I have basically, except mine are bone spurs in the facet joints from arthritis. Hairline fractures, like spurs, wouldn't affect the mobility of my arms and hands which are associated with C-4 - C-7 beyond the pain of the local area. Killing that pain eliminates all of my issues with mobility. I would assume the same goes for the lumbar region as long as no spinal issues are involved.
Yes, mine is affecting the nerves. I would also think with the fractures that there is inflammation that is affecting the nerves as well. Regardless it's all about pain tolerance and how you react to shooting pains in your legs with certain movements. I still do most things, (stopped playing golf last month) and just deal with the pain but it does affect mobility. Budweiser, whiskey and Advil helps. Don't think Winston can do that.
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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker View Post
Yes, mine is affecting the nerves. I would also think with the fractures that there is inflammation that is affecting the nerves as well. Regardless it's all about pain tolerance and how you react to shooting pains in your legs with certain movements. I still do most things, (stopped playing golf last month) and just deal with the pain but it does affect mobility. Budweiser, whiskey and Advil helps. Don't think Winston can do that.
I understand what you are going through. I see plenty of other patients with the same problem when I go to my pain doctor. I have some stenosis myself, but not severe and hasn't affected the nerves much at all. Mine is mostly the vertebrate structure itself, specifically the facet joints.

And, yes, inflammation could be affecting the nerves I suppose. I know an ESI would help that a lot, but I'm not sure if that is allowed since it is steroid based.

Sounds like what he may have are fractures to the tips of the facets. I know that can happen from impact. Can't remember the QB that had that a few years back, but it doesn't affect the nerves at all. Just pain tolerance. And, like I said, there are ways to control that. However, thinking about it, his mobility could easily have been hampered by the padding they said they used for protection. It would have had to have gone around his hips. Hopefully they can come up with something less cumbersome if that is an issue.

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