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buzzard 09-29-2005 10:14 AM

McPhearson now, Brooks isn't going to get any better
 
Aaron Brooks has been here for 5 years. He is still calling time outs every game in the 1st and 3rd quarters, he still fumbles at a high rate WHEN NOT BEING HIT BY A DEFENDER, and he still has a nonchalant "I couldn't care less" attitude/ work ethic.
Aaron is a great athlete, but no leader. This team will never be anything more than mediocre with him at QB. 7-8-9 wins a year. Just enough to ensure a not very good draft pick.

BlackandBlue 09-29-2005 11:37 AM

RE: McPhearson now, Brooks isn
 
McPhearson now would only hurt his progression. I would prefer that he ride the bench at least this year.

Euphoria 09-29-2005 04:56 PM

RE: McPhearson now, Brooks isn
 
concur... for some players getting in there and learning the hard way is the answer but not in this case. He needs sometime to learn from the bench first... he plays to much like a scared chicken still and there isn't much game planning for that, we'd simply be killed. He isn't ready to be taking shots from 1st stingers and play the way he does... a lot to learn.

spkb25 09-29-2005 05:41 PM

RE: McPhearson now, Brooks isn
 
can't get worse

mayoj 09-29-2005 05:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzard
Aaron Brooks has been here for 5 years. He is still calling time outs every game in the 1st and 3rd quarters, he still fumbles at a high rate WHEN NOT BEING HIT BY A DEFENDER, and he still has a nonchalant "I couldn't care less" attitude/ work ethic.
Aaron is a great athlete, but no leader. This team will never be anything more than mediocre with him at QB. 7-8-9 wins a year. Just enough to ensure a not very good draft pick.

Where do you get that he has a poor work ethic?? Do you think that the players or coaches think he doesn't care??

The only positive about putting Amac in now would be to have an excuse for poor play. AB will get better as the season goes on bc the oline will solidify and our run game will get started. I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes, but I think the Giants game showed he can make some great passes if given the opportunity. I'll take those great passes adn one turnover a game if we can get the whole team playing together.

CheramieIII 09-29-2005 09:54 PM

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I think when most people say that AB doesn't have a good work ethic they maybe referring to the fact that when the Saint's are behind by 14 points, AB should not be smiling, not taking his time in the huddle or calling a time out, hell if your behind by 14 or 21 you should know what you need to do. They have cut to AB to many times when the Saints are trailing just to see him smiling like the Saints just won the Bowl. There ain't nothing funny about what is happening right now and most people just don't see a leader, they see a player with alot of talent who can't lead and doesn't seem to want to either. You always here what Horn is saying in the Media, never AB.

I agree with the opinion that he is not the player to take us to the promised land and never will, but I do not blame him as much as I do Haz at this point, he is the ultimate leader and he is leading this team to another sub par season and should be fired now. Why wait AB knows the plays so what do we need a coach for and believe me if Haz is gone AB will still fumble, throw Int's in the redzone and make bonehead throws, but I guess he has a great downfield arm.

Euphoria 09-29-2005 09:54 PM

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For those of you who say can't get any worse... are you kidding??? Did anyone not see Amac in preseason.

CheramieIII 09-29-2005 10:03 PM

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Hey E, I agree but at least we wouldn't know when the int, fumble or bad pass was coming, with AB is becoming way to predictable and that would make it alot more exciting.

SapperSaint 09-30-2005 05:00 AM

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I remember the Vikings game in the dome where the offense took the field in the closing 1:20 and drove the distance took the lead thinking the game was won, 30 seconds later we loss! Falcons in the dome same thing, over and over and over...And all ya'll can do is want a change at QB??? yEAH THAT CHANGE IN QBIS GONNA STOP THE OPPOSING TEAM FROM RAPING OUR DEFENSE?
I was in agreeance that we should sit him out and put A-Mac in, but I read a blog here that Cher responed to and agreed with. (Sorry I can''t remember who wrote it but props to him) He said, "we should leave AB in and let him build his stats up and trade his butt away in the offseason. If we sit him down now he will be worthless to us in the long run."

YES, AB will get "better" as the seasons rolls on, but SOOOOOOOO WHAT!

If we start A-Mac and he does good, Haz will look like a master mind and he will stay along with Venturi and the rest of the coaching staff.

If Brooks stays in he will beef of his stats, we will have a typical Saints football year, and we can trade him off to another team for a draft pick.

Listen guys, coaching has alot to do with player performance. If you don't believe me just look at the turn around that has happened at Notre Dame.

When we get a good coach and surrounds himself with good assistants our O and D lines WILL improve.

4saintspirit 09-30-2005 06:04 AM

!. The season is far from over -- Tampa will fade, the falcons probably will lose this week and the Panthers are already 1-2 with the loss to us. While Amac may be the QB of the Saints future he is not the one who will give us a chance to win now. Lets wait and see. If mid season we are out of the running I am all for giving him the snaps to see if he progresses.

As for those who want to continually bring up the defense I have to say that they held the Vikings in check the second half and gave the offense the chance to win. Same with the game before -- when the offense has 10 turnovers in 2 games you cannot blame the defense.

BlackandBlue 09-30-2005 08:20 AM

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(Sorry I can''t remember who wrote it but props to him)
That was BrooksMustGo.

Euphoria 09-30-2005 09:33 AM

IT WAS NOT BROOKS FAULT WE LOST TO THE VIKINGS!!! Get over it. It was a team effort or lack there of for losing that game. I didn't see AB fumbling on the opening kick off for 2 weeks straight. I didn't see AB giving TD bombs on Defense. When you play from behind all game long you scrap the game plan and use the pass, pass, pass mentality. Which is obvious to the defense... the O-line was horrible, could pick up a blitz to save there life.

LKelley67 09-30-2005 10:03 AM

i don't think anyone will be interested in brooks with a $6.25mil base coming next year. i think the bonus hits should be done so he can just be dropped unceremoniously.

from a good wwl article-
Mind you, I’m not factoring in a signing bonus and/or other bonuses. That information is even harder to come by. To be fair to Brooks, though, I’m not sure if his signing bonus will continue to be paid off in the coming years. But still, is Brooks worth a base salary of $5.5 million this coming season? I’d say no. Here’s more food for thought: my inside source, “guy who knows a guy,� told me a couple months ago that Brooks’ total salary from last year (2004) was third highest in the NFL, behind Culpepper and Manning. I don’t know about you, folks, but when I think of the three best quarterbacks in the league, I certainly don’t envision Aaron Brooks standing next to Culpepper and Manning. I could easily name ten guys whom I’d rather have as starting QBs over Brooks.

http://www.wwltv.com/sports/saints/s....fbda842d.html

4saintspirit 09-30-2005 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LKelley67
i don't think anyone will be interested in brooks with a $6.25mil base coming next year. i think the bonus hits should be done so he can just be dropped unceremoniously.

from a good wwl article-
Mind you, I’m not factoring in a signing bonus and/or other bonuses. That information is even harder to come by. To be fair to Brooks, though, I’m not sure if his signing bonus will continue to be paid off in the coming years. But still, is Brooks worth a base salary of $5.5 million this coming season? I’d say no. Here’s more food for thought: my inside source, “guy who knows a guy,� told me a couple months ago that Brooks’ total salary from last year (2004) was third highest in the NFL, behind Culpepper and Manning. I don’t know about you, folks, but when I think of the three best quarterbacks in the league, I certainly don’t envision Aaron Brooks standing next to Culpepper and Manning. I could easily name ten guys whom I’d rather have as starting QBs over Brooks.

http://www.wwltv.com/sports/saints/s....fbda842d.html

We paid Brooks based on unfulfilled potential -- that is still unfulfilled. While he is not the only problem we have he is one of the highest paid problems

spkb25 09-30-2005 05:29 PM

who don't we try like hell to draft omar jacobs after we fire the jimbo

CheramieIII 09-30-2005 07:19 PM

Hey Black, was that supposed to be an insult, hey bro don't sugarcoat that crap come on out and say it and believe me if the offense was working, we would not have to worry about the defense. It appears to me that the offense has put our defense in alot of bad situations this year, as well as the special teams, not that the defense can't stop another team when they have 80 yards to go. Brooks is a problem and a major one, you cannot have your QB, who is supposed to be the leader of your team make as many mistakes as he does period. OUr defense played very well against the Panthers and AB only made 1 mistake in that game. I guarantee just like Justin Wilson my brother if we don't make bonehead mistakes on the offensive side of the ball and put the defense in bad situations that will be better than average.

spkb25 09-30-2005 07:42 PM

hey cher i didn't know your brother made cook books. good on him. is he a good cook? i will have to try one of his coook books. anyway i am just for getting rid of the coaches first and letting the rest sort itself out


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