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SmashMouth 10-09-2022 03:24 PM

Observations from the Saints win vs Seahawks
 
Nice to taste a victory once again after three weeks.

Hard to watch our WR get now so depleted. Wondering where our promising practice squad rookies are .

Taysom can do it all. MVP today. Maybe he need to start at QB... Since his unpredictability is so key.

Overall some improvements, but much still to do if we're to be an above average team. Parity play gives the Saints a chance! :bng:

Sinner 10-09-2022 03:30 PM

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Hill brings a sorely needed FIRE to our game.

papz 10-09-2022 03:42 PM

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This is how we should have ran our offense from the start. Good to see the win.

I’ve never been a Geno Smith guy but kudos to him for turning his career around.

Sinner 10-09-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 960542)
This is how we should have ran our offense from the start. Good to see the win.

I’ve never been a Geno Smith guy but kudos to him for turning his career around.

kudos to our D for turning his career around.

TheOak 10-09-2022 03:51 PM

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We suck, today was a little less than usual, which is improvement but not quite to the level of hope. String 2 Ws together then we can talk going .500.

SaintFanQ 10-09-2022 03:59 PM

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Great to get the win today but I'm not looking forward to reading the injury report over the next few days! Today was brutal for Saints!

K Major 10-09-2022 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 960545)
We suck, today was a little less than usual, which is improvement but not quite to the level of hope. String 2 Ws together then we can talk going .500.

Fair.

This is not a very good football.

I’m looking at the remaining schedule and I don’t see a lot of more wins.

dizzle88 10-09-2022 04:06 PM

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I know all of the D got smoked but again, Mathieu seems like he's always out of position and often unwilling to make tackles.

That 69 yard TD run they had, Mathieu took one of the worst angles I've seen a safety take.

On the Locket TD pass, all 4 DB's just stood there and let it happen, but Mathieu saw the whole play and just jogged behind everyone.

We've lost way too much talent in the secondary and it shows, because these new guys aren't cutting it, and to be frank, Lattimore and Adebo are playing very poorly too

Saintsfan4ever 10-09-2022 04:07 PM

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wait, how can this be? All the sports media experts and all the armchair coaching experts said Taysom Hill was not a QB. Yet he took about 10 snaps at QB today and single-handedly won the game. I'm so confused. Com' on sports talent experts, help me out here. Help me make sense of this strange anomaly.

dizzle88 10-09-2022 04:17 PM

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Dalton again, wasn't perfect but he looked like he saw the field much better than Winston would. His decision making and accuracy are way above Winston's.

We still need a franchise QB but Winston should honestly be 3rd on the depth chart.

Sinner 10-09-2022 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever (Post 960550)
wait, how can this be? All the sports media experts and all the armchair coaching experts said Taysom Hill was not a QB. Yet he took about 10 snaps at QB today and single-handedly won the game. I'm so confused. Com' on sports talent experts, help me out here. Help me make sense of this strange anomaly.

He certainly gave me some highlights that I can enjoy this week.

neugey 10-09-2022 04:40 PM

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I was out of market and unable to watch the game except for the bonus coverage. I tuned in just in time to see Cam Jordan's game-clinching and sack and TreQuan's first down to seal the game, which was nice.

But it's okay I wasn't able to watch the game, because there was something else that I was intended to see - the bonus coverage of the end of the Bucs/Falcons game.

I know it sounds painful, but watch the 4th quarter of the Bucs/Falcons when you can. The Falcons got jobbed by the refs just as hard, if not harder as we did vs Tampa, with key bad calls on 3rd down extending Tampa drives (sound familiar?).

The refs have pulled out the stops this year. Divorce Boy has the refs in his pocket to a level we've never seen before. This may be even worse than the "Jordan Rules". All respect I had for Brady is completely gone. He can go kick rocks. Belichick was/is the dude.

papz 10-09-2022 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever (Post 960550)
wait, how can this be? All the sports media experts and all the armchair coaching experts said Taysom Hill was not a QB. Yet he took about 10 snaps at QB today and single-handedly won the game. I'm so confused. Com' on sports talent experts, help me out here. Help me make sense of this strange anomaly.

And that is how you use him effectively. He’s not a starting quarterback. He’s a gadget player that’s effective when used properly.

TheOak 10-09-2022 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 960548)
Fair.

This is not a very good football.

I’m looking at the remaining schedule and I don’t see a lot of more wins.

I’ll share a less vague explanation lol.

We didn’t improve on turnovers, penalties are average for us this season, while it was our best offensive showing of the season it was also our worst defensive showing.

Hill reminded me of Tebow in college. He put on a clinic. He blocks better than our O-Line.

These two plays strung together; the 51 screen to Kamara, followed by the Hill TD pass, reminded me of 2009.

Hills TD run, at the end he heard the pursuing defender and had the awareness enough to chest the ball with both arms and secure it. He needs to teach that to the rest of the offense.

hitta 10-09-2022 05:19 PM

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If we want to make the playoffs we need to start Taysom.

subguy 10-09-2022 05:29 PM

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Dalton did a good job of controlling the game and he will be fine if we have someone to throw to. Hill was Hill, he is a baller.

K Major 10-09-2022 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 960553)

But it's okay I wasn't able to watch the game, because there was something else that I was intended to see - the bonus coverage of the end of the Bucs/Falcons game.

I know it sounds painful, but watch the 4th quarter of the Bucs/Falcons when you can. The Falcons got jobbed by the refs just as hard, if not harder as we did vs Tampa, with key bad calls on 3rd down extending Tampa drives (sound familiar?).

Saw that.

Does Jerome Boger (head ref) really understand what roughing the passer means? Awful call but Brady was under center.

stickman 10-09-2022 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 960560)
Saw that.

Does Jerome Boger (head ref) really understand what roughing the passer means? Awful call but Brady was under center.

Just read an article on this. The ref said the reason for the penalty was that the QB was unnecessarily thrown to the ground. That is absolutely the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...ons-in-week-5/

saintsfan1976 10-09-2022 07:36 PM

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This team just doesn't seem to have it together. Details are often missed, repeated penalties and more turnovers.

I think Dalton looked sharp for the most part. Still too much pressure in his face. But he seems to make much better reads than JW.

I'd love to see Dalton as starter and Taysom continue doing what he does. That combination seems really difficult to defend.

Saintsfan4ever 10-09-2022 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 960555)
And that is how you use him effectively. He’s not a starting quarterback. He’s a gadget player that’s effective when used properly.

I respect your opinion.
However, I'm of the opinion that he can be a starting QB if used properly, not Pete's vanilla play calling, but a dynamic offense designed for Taysom's strengths & run-threat.
The dude trained to be a TE this season and so far he's been our most effective QB, and still gets labeled as a gadget?... ok, whatever.

mapcow 10-09-2022 08:03 PM

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Taysom.... is da man. keep the prima donna on the bench, trade him, get a better QB and the saints just may keep winning. Remember....all that money sitting on the bench, and saints won without the prima donna.:dunce:

neugey 10-09-2022 08:45 PM

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As far as Taysom being a starter ... we saw in the prior years it doesn't work. He needs to save his arm and energy and have some snaps to rest so when he does play he can be the sprinting trucking all-out dynamo that scares defenses. Which is understandable - he's not young like Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen.

The Dude 10-09-2022 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 960533)
Nice to taste a victory once again after three weeks.

Hard to watch our WR get now so depleted. Wondering where our promising practice squad rookies are .

Taysom can do it all. MVP today. Maybe he need to start at QB... Since his unpredictability is so key.

Overall some improvements, but much still to do if we're to be an above average team. Parity play gives the Saints a chance! :bng:

Except when he’s Qb all the time he’s predictable. It’s either a RPO or a mental struggle trying to read the defense. Every once and a while he will drop a bomb to a receiver that got lucky enough to be on the right end of blown coverage but that’s about it. I guess you can add injury to the predictability column too.

BakoSaint 10-09-2022 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saintsfan4ever (Post 960550)
wait, how can this be? All the sports media experts and all the armchair coaching experts said Taysom Hill was not a QB. Yet he took about 10 snaps at QB today and single-handedly won the game. I'm so confused. Com' on sports talent experts, help me out here. Help me make sense of this strange anomaly.

Very simple. Seattle has a bottom 5 run defense in the NFL and a bad defense in general. Against that a 1930 Army-Navy offense which is what we get with Taysom at QB will work like a charm. But against a better run defense Taysom will look like Tim Tebow. What Tebow could only do in college, Taysom can do against bad defenses on good days in he pros, but not consistently or durably.

Crusader 10-09-2022 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 960555)
And that is how you use him effectively. He’s not a starting quarterback. He’s a gadget player that’s effective when used properly.

Agreed! And they finally let him throw one which is a must too keep the defences guessing when he is in.

Crusader 10-09-2022 11:47 PM

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* Remember that time when Taysom Hill beat the Seahawks?
* O-line shows some really nice flashes in the running game, two 100 yd rushers doesn't happen just by accident.
* Both our guards are at their best when pulling, Ruiz had a great block clearing the way on the long TD run by Hill.
* Ingram looks finished, less than 2 yards per carry in a game where Kamara picks up 4.5.
* Some terrible pass coverage on defence, Mathieu looks lost a lot of the time and we need Maye back now. We are missing 3 safties from last year and it shows.
* Dalton looks poised under center, I like how he moves in the pocket to avoid the rush. His numbers aren't spectacular but he was decently effective with our 4-6 string WRs.
* Smith is doing a great job blocking but is still up and down when catching the ball. A really nice diving catch early in the game but an easy drop late on a gimmie play.
* Pass-pro needs to improve, too much pressure on Dalton.
* Al Woods was a menace, I hadn't heard his name in quite a while and didn't know he was still in the league.
* Geno Smith is a lot better QB than most people gives him credit for. He has a couple of really good WRs to throw to too.
* Some good pressure from the DL. Jordan and Davenport doing a great job replacing eachother and "spreading out" when chasing Smith outside of the pocket.

hitta 10-10-2022 12:03 AM

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When Taysom played in previous years as the starting QB, the entire offense was depleted with injuries. The line was gutted and we had no receivers or backs. I don't think he's been given a fair evaluation.

BakoSaint 10-10-2022 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 960580)
When Taysom played in previous years as the starting QB, the entire offense was depleted with injuries. The line was gutted and we had no receivers or backs. I don't think he's been given a fair evaluation.

Last year we had the same oline plus Terron Armstead and Trevor Semian looked better than Taysom Hill.

Would Adrian Peterson be an upgrade over Mark Ingram? He has probably had enough time to recover from his boxing concussion.

gulfgambler 10-10-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 960551)
Dalton again, wasn't perfect but he looked like he saw the field much better than Winston would. His decision making and accuracy are way above Winston's.

We still need a franchise QB but Winston should honestly be 3rd on the depth chart.

Season still early, find a trade partner for him
maybe we can get an 8th round pick in 2050

Rell&Gold 10-10-2022 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 960549)
I know all of the D got smoked but again, Mathieu seems like he's always out of position and often unwilling to make tackles.

That 69 yard TD run they had, Mathieu took one of the worst angles I've seen a safety take.

On the Locket TD pass, all 4 DB's just stood there and let it happen, but Mathieu saw the whole play and just jogged behind everyone.

We've lost way too much talent in the secondary and it shows, because these new guys aren't cutting it, and to be frank, Lattimore and Adebo are playing very poorly too

Adebo yes Lattimore no. Lattimore didn't give up a td yesterday .

Rell&Gold 10-10-2022 11:15 AM

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To all the guys he talked down on Marcus Williams HA! Lls guy has a lock damn near every game. Von Bell making plays. Adebo has to play better immediately 3tds in one game is of 40 yards plus gives me bad memories.

AsylumGuido 10-10-2022 11:23 AM

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- Once again, Dalton looked serviceable, but at this point of his career is clearly just a backup. He doesn't appear to be able to make an explosive throw downfield like Winston.

- Taysom is a monster and perfectly suited for the role he is currently playing. Finally mixing in the pass was overdue, but adds the threat as someone mentioned earlier.

- Kamara is a difference maker. We need him in the game badly.

- Seahawks fans were gracious in the loss and just wanted to head to Bourbon to drown their sorrows.

- Geno Smith showed why he was named the NFC Offensive Player of the Week last week. He looked big and looked to move well and was extremely accurate on those two deep TD throws.

- The defensive front looked very solid in stopping all but one run and put great pressure on Smith when called upon.

- The Saints came out on top on two very close calls, the Metcalf "fumble" and the Olave "TD". Those have in the past have commonly gone against us.

- Opening drive. Once again the offense marches right down the field on scripted plays and then stalls in the red zone on conservative play calling with what appeared to be from the far end of the field two right tackle dive plays for two and three yards. Dalton then misses Olave on a short pass to end the drive.

- Injuries are plaguing the whole league right now. Harty and Olave both go down, but so did Penny for the Seahawks. I can't remember this many injuries this early throughout the league.

- It was nice leaving the Dome a winner and the crowd was alive as it has been in a couple of years. A win is a win!

- Penalties looked more under control with only six on the day, half of what Seattle managed to commit.

- Gillikin is human with that late shank at a key time of the game. He looked disgusted while leaving the field.

- Thought the offensive line did a good job of protecting Dalton and run blocking. Only one sack given up and a season high 235 yards on the ground.

- Can't wait to get players back for the Cincy game next week. Expecting obnoxious LSU fans in the seats pulling for Burrow. Also expecting to see him on the ground a half a dozen times.

:bng:

AsylumGuido 10-10-2022 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 960598)
To all the guys he talked down on Marcus Williams HA! Lls guy has a lock damn near every game. Von Bell making plays. Adebo has to play better immediately 3tds in one game is of 40 yards plus gives me bad memories.

Too bad Marcus Williams dislocated his wrist yesterday and should be heading to IR. May be season ending depending upon extent of the damage.

SmashMouth 10-10-2022 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 960601)
Too bad Marcus Williams dislocated his wrist yesterday and should be heading to IR. May be season ending depending upon extent of the damage.

Kinda makes the Ceedy trade appear even more troublesome. What's that saying again... Can't have enough DBs?

AsylumGuido 10-10-2022 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 960604)
Kinda makes the Ceedy trade appear even more troublesome. What's that saying again... Can't have enough DBs?

We should be getting Maye back this week. That'll be huge.

iceshack149 10-10-2022 12:05 PM

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I might have more disdain for Trequan than I did for Tebucky Jones. The guy pisses me off.

AsylumGuido 10-10-2022 12:06 PM

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AsylumGuido 10-10-2022 12:54 PM

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I forgot one bullet point:

- Cam Jordan is still a stud! one and a half more sacks yesterday.


Lord_Saint83 10-10-2022 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 960600)
- Once again, Dalton looked serviceable, but at this point of his career is clearly just a backup. He doesn't appear to be able to make an explosive throw downfield like Winston.

- Taysom is a monster and perfectly suited for the role he is currently playing. Finally mixing in the pass was overdue, but adds the threat as someone mentioned earlier.

- Kamara is a difference maker. We need him in the game badly.

- Seahawks fans were gracious in the loss and just wanted to head to Bourbon to drown their sorrows.

- Geno Smith showed why he was named the NFC Offensive Player of the Week last week. He looked big and looked to move well and was extremely accurate on those two deep TD throws.

- The defensive front looked very solid in stopping all but one run and put great pressure on Smith when called upon.

- The Saints came out on top on two very close calls, the Metcalf "fumble" and the Olave "TD". Those have in the past have commonly gone against us.

- Opening drive. Once again the offense marches right down the field on scripted plays and then stalls in the red zone on conservative play calling with what appeared to be from the far end of the field two right tackle dive plays for two and three yards. Dalton then misses Olave on a short pass to end the drive.

- Injuries are plaguing the whole league right now. Harty and Olave both go down, but so did Penny for the Seahawks. I can't remember this many injuries this early throughout the league.

- It was nice leaving the Dome a winner and the crowd was alive as it has been in a couple of years. A win is a win!

- Penalties looked more under control with only six on the day, half of what Seattle managed to commit.

- Gillikin is human with that late shank at a key time of the game. He looked disgusted while leaving the field.

- Thought the offensive line did a good job of protecting Dalton and run blocking. Only one sack given up and a season high 235 yards on the ground.

- Can't wait to get players back for the Cincy game next week. Expecting obnoxious LSU fans in the seats pulling for Burrow. Also expecting to see him on the ground a half a dozen times.

:bng:



I agree with the lsu fans. They’re gonna make it a 50/50 atmosphere. I love Burrow but not when he plays the saints.

AsylumGuido 10-10-2022 02:10 PM

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I'm reading a lot of dogging of the Saints secondary here, but one must give Geno Smith a ton of credit. He made several great throws in which the defender had no chance to make a play. Some passes just cannot be defended.

Just a couple here.




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