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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 961181)

The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.

+1. Hell, Trautman can’t even jog !

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 961181)

I believe there has also been a shift in philosophy when it comes to injuries versus being hurt. I believe most teams, and especially the Saints, have become ultra conservative when it comes to the player's health. It seems that players are being made to sit out games where they would have just "played through the pain" in the past.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961185)

This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961186)

This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.

Well, there’s the days of Ronnie Lott where he had a part of his finger cut off so he could get back in the game. Certainly those days are gone. But weather guys are not playing when they could….that’s a tough idea to believe when your team is under .500 and fighting to be relevant.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961186)

This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.

I'd put all my money on the team. Or people like Dr. Matt Rhea who has been hired by the team to oversee the player's health. As rezburna pointed out recently these players want to play. Quite often to the detriment of their own well being as many admit.

Perhaps the ominous threat of lawsuits such as the concussion affair play into it, as well.

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First off, concussions are a different ball of wax. After the Tua situation, both sides are being cautious.

And QB position is a separate category from other players. Mainly because they are the only player at their position on the field. So Watson may want to play but the staff is saying no because his injury is too hampering to his performance.

But I don’t believe that non QB, Non concussion injured players are being held back by the team more than the players themselves. In other words there isn’t someone on the Saints telling Thomas he can’t play. It’s Thomas saying he’s not ready.

Maybe I’m wrong.

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 960595)

Maybe Michael Thomas is a humanitarian. Maybe he will spend the rest of his life building houses for people displaced by disasters. But maybe playing hurt or whatever didn't take one year off his career, maybe it took all the years remaining off his career.

He played hurt for Brees, but then he ghosted the team in the offseason and delayed surgery until the start of the year, then he had a setback, then he had a whole second offseason to recover, then he came to training came not yet recovered, then he got on the field and had more setbacks and missed most of camp, then he suited up for the opener, then he has had a series of injuries and setbacks since then. Sometimes the body breaks down before its expiration date. Sometimes a person loses the drive to give 100% after they already gave 200% and it wasn't enough and they got their money. Whatever it is, a reasonable person has to accept the considerable possibility that Michael Thomas is done for. That his future is playing golf with Terrelle Pryor, LeCharles Bentley, Jahvid Best, Andrew Luck, Dez Bryant, and company. He is young. This should be his prime. But some injuries don't go away. And if all the injuries did suddenly go away, you would still have the player who ghosted the head coach for an offseason fresh off a big contract, posted cryptic tweets, and got in fights with teammates. Younger players have been traded to the Eagles for a 5th over less.

You don't know what happened. Why do you all present your OPINIONS as absolute regarding Thomas and the team? You stated no facts. He got injured played through injury reaggravated the injury and now he's back. You talk his doctors? Did you talk to the Saints doctor? Did you talk to MT? Or did you read random "Saints Insider" outlets and went with media stories because they fit your bias surrounding MT?

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 961181)

Partially agree here. There have been less major injur9es during training camp. You want more contact more injuries? Or Less contact less injuries? If your team was severely impacted by performance due to not making 10 extra tackles during training camp it want meant to be

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This previous off-season is going to be the one that hurts the Saints the most. We had waaay more holes to fill other than WR which we put the house up for. DT RB2 Safety Nickel CB2 T G. We left so much bone on the table with this draft. Eagles received Nakobe Dean Jordan Davis CGJ and what looks to be a top 10 first. And they are 6-0. Patriots have picked up 2 QBs within the last TWO seasons. Saints overvalued this roster last year. The draft process shows. The only x-factor here is potentially getting some picks from Sean playing with another team. Marcus Williams and CGJ should be our starting Safety. I like Marcus Maye personally I think the CB play outside of Marshon has been horrendous with some upside for Allontae. Other than that very poor play. RB2 Dameon Pierce Rachaad White Breece Hall. There were options. A lot of the holes that could have been filled this year was looked over with the expectation of ZERO drop off from the Defense and a Offense getting its top WR and one of the best if not the best rookie WR this year. Eagles robbed us with NO gun.

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 961195)

Good points. Added to the “Less contact less injury” idea is “Less contact (fieldtime) less cohesiveness”. It’s not surprising Dalton can make throws to Callaway and Smith….They got more practice and playing time together than Thomas/Landry/Winston did.