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jnormand 09-30-2005 06:05 PM
RE: Time to trade the defense
 
BOB, it's not "the defense" or "AB" or "Carney". It's the entire team. AB didn't play well the last couple games. The defense didn't play well the last couple games, and Carney missed a field goal the last game.

This TEAM is losing. I'm not happy with the play or the penalites of any of the team. Why the hell does everyone always make it sound like one person or the defense or the special teams is losing these games. Like everyone else has played like pro-bowlers right? Give me a break.

spkb25 09-30-2005 06:51 PM
RE: Time to trade the defense
 
i find the d to be improved this year. not where it needs to be at all but improved. at the same time i always wonder with the talent we have at d-end what the hell is the problem. i come back to coaching. i don't care if it is arron we are talking about or the d i think we need a new staff. jim will probably get another job somewhere else in the league and much like ray rhodes he will again fail. then he will realize he is nothing more then a d-coord. i think that the haz try's and works hard to be a success. it just isn't in him to be one. not at the head coaching position. i hope that starting this week somehow things change around. as much i want jim replaced i would prefer to make the playoffs. the time has been just to hard to take as a fan. anyway that is what i think and take from it what you will. i would say that probably isn't much

Tobias-Reiper 09-30-2005 08:05 PM
Re: Time to trade the defense
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
You know since myself, are anyone else can log onto this site 24 hours a day and 7 days a week and find a biography of Posts about getting rid of Aaron Brooks, the Saints QB. I thought I would post about the side of the ball that's keeping this team from winning, namely the defense.

I say lets trade our defense straight up, and add Carney the drunk kicker that misses 10 yard FG'S and PAT'S. For the Bills defense.
Got a couple questions for you.. legitimate questions because I'm curious:

What makes you defend Aaron Brooks no matter what?
What is it that makes Brooks irreplaceable in your opinion?

spkb25 09-30-2005 08:39 PM
RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
it is because he is blackinblack the arron brooks lover. i think he took in the shoot once or twice and now he has his man crush on

yasoon 10-01-2005 11:25 AM
I've said it before this week....the defense hasn't lost the last 2 games for us, the offense and special teams has.

Could the D play better? Yes...much better, but they're the least of our problems right now.

You AB apologists are the most unobjective people I've ever seen.

I give AB props when he plays well, I get on him when he doesn't. I used to defend him alot more. He is not getting any better, you could argue that he is getting worse.

Here is the simple part: if you thought we would win the last 2 games scoring 10 and 16 points, then you have not watched the Saints lately. There are not alot of teams who can win with that sort of production.

Brooks has been innacurate and turnover prone. He hasn't even given us the flashes of brilliance that we get some of the time. How in the hell do Horn and Stallworth combine for 11 yds? It's simple...AB.

I've gotten used to these sorts of posts, whether it was Billy/Euph/and now BnB....unhitch your wagon boys. The loyalty is admirable....but it is also blind. You gotta watch the game for what it is....not for ways to defend your boy.

I've had it with AB. I will root hard for him tomorrow and he may have a good game....assuring a bad one in Lambeau.

saintswhodi 10-01-2005 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yasoon
I've said it before this week....the defense hasn't lost the last 2 games for us, the offense and special teams has.

Could the D play better? Yes...much better, but they're the least of our problems right now.

You AB apologists are the most unobjective people I've ever seen.

I give AB props when he plays well, I get on him when he doesn't. I used to defend him alot more. He is not getting any better, you could argue that he is getting worse.

Here is the simple part: if you thought we would win the last 2 games scoring 10 and 16 points, then you have not watched the Saints lately. There are not alot of teams who can win with that sort of production.

Brooks has been innacurate and turnover prone. He hasn't even given us the flashes of brilliance that we get some of the time. How in the hell do Horn and Stallworth combine for 11 yds? It's simple...AB.

I've gotten used to these sorts of posts, whether it was Billy/Euph/and now BnB....unhitch your wagon boys. The loyalty is admirable....but it is also blind. You gotta watch the game for what it is....not for ways to defend your boy.

I've had it with AB. I will root hard for him tomorrow and he may have a good game....assuring a bad one in Lambeau.
Great great post yas. Man, I remember a lot of you guys used to defend AB to me. Welcome to the darkside. :wink:

Tobias-Reiper 10-01-2005 05:25 PM
Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
Quote:

Got a couple questions for you.. legitimate questions because I'm curious:

What makes you defend Aaron Brooks no matter what?
What is it that makes Brooks irreplaceable in your opinion?

I'm happy to answer, first-off I don't Brooks no matter what. He does things that makes me want to jack him up in his jaw, see unlike the Professional Group that you're a member of, myself and others know Brooks is not the main issue that is keeping the Saints team from being successful.

See, I hate bullys. And I also dislike people that have hidden issues with people because of something else. You people, are forever wanting to rid yourselves of the QB, but not rid yourselves of the true problem...Ya'll just hate Brooks with a passion, period no excuses!

I sit here in Arlington, Texas watching Bledsoe play like he's 22 again in NewEngland amazing what the right Coach can bring out in a player. For 5 years we've had the same staff in place as Coaches and still haven't fielded a Defense that could stop a girlscout troop.

Does it take 5 years to put a defense that's legit together?? no! they'll go on a winning streak against the worsts offenses in the NFL and then brag about how the defense was ranked in the upper echeleon in the defensive categories during that time and that warrants making no changes, keeping the same players here.


.. well, I must say that your answer to my questions is all over the place...

So I am part of a professional group of bullies with a hidden agenda..

What exactly do you think is this "hidden agenda"? If one reads between the lines, once would say that what you meant is that we don't want a black QB, because I cannot think of any other possible "hidden agenda" that my colleagues and I could have... well, that and that we want a consistent QB with thick skin, being black, white, or purple, who takes responsibility for his mistakes and looks to improve rather than blame everyone around for losses while taking the credit for the wins...

... but if the thought of racism is what is driving your posting, well, then there's really no point in debating football with you.

SapperSaint 10-02-2005 07:49 AM
RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
What in the world is going on?

BoB, I have said a couple of points that you have made here, time and time again. Coaching will do more for this team than we realize. I don't think anyone here will dispute that.

However if you think some of us have a hidden agenda to replace a black QB with a white QB, I know for a fact that most of the people who speak out against AB want AMac in right now.

Now remind me, what skin color does AMac have??? And what the hell does it matter, as long as he is a good person, does what is right and wins us football games!

Just a qoute from me...."Racisim will never die as long as people keep bring it up, we are all Americans, some just dumber than others."

BoudinSandwich 10-02-2005 09:17 AM
RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
Our main problem with defence is Venturi or whoever is calling the plays. We should be leading the league in sacks with the talent we have. However, the coaches are scared to blitz. I understant that our cornerbacks are a bit weak (maybe Mckenzie is the exception), but look at what we did against the Vikings when we started blitzing. We were getting sacks left and right. We were shutting down the run game (admittedly with a break through run or two). Our defense was controlling the game.

Yes, we have no great cornerbacks besides Mike Mckenzie. We have a young linebacking corps (give them time.) That said, we have so much talent on defensive line that these facts really shouldn't matter THAT much. Our problem is with the coaches not being able to use the defense to their strengths.

Tobias-Reiper 10-02-2005 06:41 PM
Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
Quote:
What in the world is going on?

BoB, I have said a couple of points that you have made here, time and time again. Coaching will do more for this team than we realize. I don't think anyone here will dispute that.

However if you think some of us have a hidden agenda to replace a black QB with a white QB, I know for a fact that most of the people who speak out against AB want AMac in right now.

Now remind me, what skin color does AMac have??? And what the hell does it matter, as long as he is a good person, does what is right and wins us football games!

Just a qoute from me...."Racisim will never die as long as people keep bring it up, we are all Americans, some just dumber than others."


Where did you see, a remark about racism in my posts??
I left that open on purpose to let the guilty stew in their own garbage. Nothing else more will be said, I don't wish to have that debate in this forum, honesty will never come-out it only leads to meaningless bickering.

Part 2, someone said the defense hasn't cost any of the past 2 games, i'll do a replay for you, the Saints offense findly get their acts together and score late in the game the Saints are down by 8 in the fourth quarter. Only need to get the ball back to tie the game and go into overtime, didn't get the ball back and in fact the Vikings easily scored again.

And the defense almost lost the Panthers game for the team, should never have been as close a score as it ended up. Against the Giants they couldn't stop


any Giants WR, IF THAT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM i DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!



..well, BoB, you really didn't leave anything open with the "hidden agenda" comment. You obviously think that the people who don't like AB as the Saints QB don't like him because he's black. Nothing else to discuss here...

TheDeuce 10-02-2005 06:50 PM
RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
I didn't write anything in this thread, so....... taking an outsiders point of view, I have no idea where you guys got this "racist" comment? When I read this thread, that was the last thing that I was thinking about. Whoever thought of that in the first place should be ashamed of themselves. This is the 21st freakin century. Pull your head out of your ass and grow a brain before you start pulling out racial accusations like that. That is absolutely ridiculous to play the race card here seeing as how BoB's comments had nothing to do with it.

Tobias-Reiper 10-02-2005 08:28 PM
Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDeuce
I didn't write anything in this thread, so....... taking an outsiders point of view, I have no idea where you guys got this "racist" comment? When I read this thread, that was the last thing that I was thinking about. Whoever thought of that in the first place should be ashamed of themselves. This is the 21st freakin century. Pull your head out of your ass and grow a brain before you start pulling out racial accusations like that. That is absolutely ridiculous to play the race card here seeing as how BoB's comments had nothing to do with it.

What are you talking about? Ashamed of what? Did you read BoB's post? The "hidden agenda" comment? Would you care to explain what this "hidden agenda" could possibly be? Go ahead, give it a shot.

BTW, heard what the President's mommy said about the refugees in Texas? Or what Reagan's Education Secretary said about what would reduce crime in America? Or anything that comes out of the mouth of anyone associated with the Nation of Islam? Yep, the 21st Century, alright...

saintswhodi 10-02-2005 08:33 PM
I also wonder what was meant by "hidden agenda" when anyone who wants Brooks gone comes out and says it. What's "hidden" about that?

SapperSaint 10-03-2005 12:06 AM
RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
Quote:
Where did you see, a remark about racism in my posts??
I left that open on purpose to let the guilty stew in their own garbage. Nothing else more will be said, I don't wish to have that debate in this forum, honesty will never come-out it only leads to meaningless bickering.

Part 2, someone said the defense hasn't cost any of the past 2 games, i'll do a replay for you, the Saints offense findly get their acts together and score late in the game the Saints are down by 8 in the fourth quarter. Only need to get the ball back to tie the game and go into overtime, didn't get the ball back and in fact the Vikings easily scored again.

And the defense almost lost the Panthers game for the team, should never have been as close a score as it ended up. Against the Giants they couldn't stop any Giants WR, IF THAT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM i DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!
Hey, BoB. I am not argueing with you. Sorry if my post came across as being generally directed towards you, because that was not my intent. So if I came across the wrong way, here is my "Hug and Make up".

My main point is the defensive players are not the problem as much as it is the coaching staff.

With that said, I still think A.B. is not the QB for this team.

SaintStoneyMount 10-03-2005 03:30 AM
RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense
 
Ha Ha...You guys are scared to talk about this hidden agenda but I'm going to bring it out. AB is from VA which is borderline south. AMAC played at FLA STATE before the penetintrary league. And Jake (the flake) was a good old Louisiana boy. So it's not a race thing...it's a place thing. The secret baord society with the hidden agenda wants an all southern team. I want some Gumbo...but the seafood in Atlanta is rank. Jake would have been a dream being from the great state of Louisiana (shades of Hebert)...Hell Archie was great but Hebert was a Cajun (hoorah!!!).

Yall forgive me for poking fun but IMHO this debate is foolish because the saints are a team. The defense is affected by the offense which is affected by the defense both being compounded by the special teams play. The line affects Dueces running and AArons performance. Astrong secondary can make a dline look good and a dline can give your secondary the day off by keeping an opposing QB on his ass. You win as a team. YOu lose as a team It.s a TEAM


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