Time to trade the defense

jnormand · 09-30-2005, 07:05 PM

BOB, it's not "the defense" or "AB" or "Carney". It's the entire team. AB didn't play well the last couple games. The defense didn't play well the last couple games, and Carney missed a field goal the last game.

This TEAM is losing. I'm not happy with the play or the penalites of any of the team. Why the hell does everyone always make it sound like one person or the defense or the special teams is losing these games. Like everyone else has played like pro-bowlers right? Give me a break.

spkb25 · 09-30-2005, 07:51 PM

i find the d to be improved this year. not where it needs to be at all but improved. at the same time i always wonder with the talent we have at d-end what the hell is the problem. i come back to coaching. i don't care if it is arron we are talking about or the d i think we need a new staff. jim will probably get another job somewhere else in the league and much like ray rhodes he will again fail. then he will realize he is nothing more then a d-coord. i think that the haz try's and works hard to be a success. it just isn't in him to be one. not at the head coaching position. i hope that starting this week somehow things change around. as much i want jim replaced i would prefer to make the playoffs. the time has been just to hard to take as a fan. anyway that is what i think and take from it what you will. i would say that probably isn't much

Tobias-Reiper · 09-30-2005, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

You know since myself, are anyone else can log onto this site 24 hours a day and 7 days a week and find a biography of Posts about getting rid of Aaron Brooks, the Saints QB. I thought I would post about the side of the ball that's keeping this team from winning, namely the defense.

I say lets trade our defense straight up, and add Carney the drunk kicker that misses 10 yard FG'S and PAT'S. For the Bills defense.

Got a couple questions for you.. legitimate questions because I'm curious:

What makes you defend Aaron Brooks no matter what?
What is it that makes Brooks irreplaceable in your opinion?

spkb25 · 09-30-2005, 09:39 PM

it is because he is blackinblack the arron brooks lover. i think he took in the shoot once or twice and now he has his man crush on

yasoon · 10-01-2005, 12:25 PM

I've said it before this week....the defense hasn't lost the last 2 games for us, the offense and special teams has.

Could the D play better? Yes...much better, but they're the least of our problems right now.

You AB apologists are the most unobjective people I've ever seen.

I give AB props when he plays well, I get on him when he doesn't. I used to defend him alot more. He is not getting any better, you could argue that he is getting worse.

Here is the simple part: if you thought we would win the last 2 games scoring 10 and 16 points, then you have not watched the Saints lately. There are not alot of teams who can win with that sort of production.

Brooks has been innacurate and turnover prone. He hasn't even given us the flashes of brilliance that we get some of the time. How in the hell do Horn and Stallworth combine for 11 yds? It's simple...AB.

I've gotten used to these sorts of posts, whether it was Billy/Euph/and now BnB....unhitch your wagon boys. The loyalty is admirable....but it is also blind. You gotta watch the game for what it is....not for ways to defend your boy.

I've had it with AB. I will root hard for him tomorrow and he may have a good game....assuring a bad one in Lambeau.

saintswhodi · 10-01-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by yasoon

I've said it before this week....the defense hasn't lost the last 2 games for us, the offense and special teams has.

Could the D play better? Yes...much better, but they're the least of our problems right now.

You AB apologists are the most unobjective people I've ever seen.

I give AB props when he plays well, I get on him when he doesn't. I used to defend him alot more. He is not getting any better, you could argue that he is getting worse.

Here is the simple part: if you thought we would win the last 2 games scoring 10 and 16 points, then you have not watched the Saints lately. There are not alot of teams who can win with that sort of production.

Brooks has been innacurate and turnover prone. He hasn't even given us the flashes of brilliance that we get some of the time. How in the hell do Horn and Stallworth combine for 11 yds? It's simple...AB.

I've gotten used to these sorts of posts, whether it was Billy/Euph/and now BnB....unhitch your wagon boys. The loyalty is admirable....but it is also blind. You gotta watch the game for what it is....not for ways to defend your boy.

I've had it with AB. I will root hard for him tomorrow and he may have a good game....assuring a bad one in Lambeau.

Great great post yas. Man, I remember a lot of you guys used to defend AB to me. Welcome to the darkside.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-01-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Got a couple questions for you.. legitimate questions because I'm curious:

What makes you defend Aaron Brooks no matter what?
What is it that makes Brooks irreplaceable in your opinion?

I'm happy to answer, first-off I don't Brooks no matter what. He does things that makes me want to jack him up in his jaw, see unlike the Professional Group that you're a member of, myself and others know Brooks is not the main issue that is keeping the Saints team from being successful.

See, I hate bullys. And I also dislike people that have hidden issues with people because of something else. You people, are forever wanting to rid yourselves of the QB, but not rid yourselves of the true problem...Ya'll just hate Brooks with a passion, period no excuses!

I sit here in Arlington, Texas watching Bledsoe play like he's 22 again in NewEngland amazing what the right Coach can bring out in a player. For 5 years we've had the same staff in place as Coaches and still haven't fielded a Defense that could stop a girlscout troop.

Does it take 5 years to put a defense that's legit together?? no! they'll go on a winning streak against the worsts offenses in the NFL and then brag about how the defense was ranked in the upper echeleon in the defensive categories during that time and that warrants making no changes, keeping the same players here.

.. well, I must say that your answer to my questions is all over the place...

So I am part of a professional group of bullies with a hidden agenda..

What exactly do you think is this "hidden agenda"? If one reads between the lines, once would say that what you meant is that we don't want a black QB, because I cannot think of any other possible "hidden agenda" that my colleagues and I could have... well, that and that we want a consistent QB with thick skin, being black, white, or purple, who takes responsibility for his mistakes and looks to improve rather than blame everyone around for losses while taking the credit for the wins...

... but if the thought of racism is what is driving your posting, well, then there's really no point in debating football with you.

SapperSaint · 10-02-2005, 08:49 AM

What in the world is going on?

BoB, I have said a couple of points that you have made here, time and time again. Coaching will do more for this team than we realize. I don't think anyone here will dispute that.

However if you think some of us have a hidden agenda to replace a black QB with a white QB, I know for a fact that most of the people who speak out against AB want AMac in right now.

Now remind me, what skin color does AMac have??? And what the hell does it matter, as long as he is a good person, does what is right and wins us football games!

Just a qoute from me...."Racisim will never die as long as people keep bring it up, we are all Americans, some just dumber than others."

BoudinSandwich · 10-02-2005, 10:17 AM

Our main problem with defence is Venturi or whoever is calling the plays. We should be leading the league in sacks with the talent we have. However, the coaches are scared to blitz. I understant that our cornerbacks are a bit weak (maybe Mckenzie is the exception), but look at what we did against the Vikings when we started blitzing. We were getting sacks left and right. We were shutting down the run game (admittedly with a break through run or two). Our defense was controlling the game.

Yes, we have no great cornerbacks besides Mike Mckenzie. We have a young linebacking corps (give them time.) That said, we have so much talent on defensive line that these facts really shouldn't matter THAT much. Our problem is with the coaches not being able to use the defense to their strengths.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-02-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

What in the world is going on?

BoB, I have said a couple of points that you have made here, time and time again. Coaching will do more for this team than we realize. I don't think anyone here will dispute that.

However if you think some of us have a hidden agenda to replace a black QB with a white QB, I know for a fact that most of the people who speak out against AB want AMac in right now.

Now remind me, what skin color does AMac have??? And what the hell does it matter, as long as he is a good person, does what is right and wins us football games!

Just a qoute from me...."Racisim will never die as long as people keep bring it up, we are all Americans, some just dumber than others."

Where did you see, a remark about racism in my posts??
I left that open on purpose to let the guilty stew in their own garbage. Nothing else more will be said, I don't wish to have that debate in this forum, honesty will never come-out it only leads to meaningless bickering.

Part 2, someone said the defense hasn't cost any of the past 2 games, i'll do a replay for you, the Saints offense findly get their acts together and score late in the game the Saints are down by 8 in the fourth quarter. Only need to get the ball back to tie the game and go into overtime, didn't get the ball back and in fact the Vikings easily scored again.

And the defense almost lost the Panthers game for the team, should never have been as close a score as it ended up. Against the Giants they couldn't stop

any Giants WR, IF THAT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM i DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!

..well, BoB, you really didn't leave anything open with the "hidden agenda" comment. You obviously think that the people who don't like AB as the Saints QB don't like him because he's black. Nothing else to discuss here...

09-30-2005, 07:05 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	RE: Time to trade the defense BOB, it's not "the defense" or "AB" or "Carney". It's the entire team. AB didn't play well the last couple games. The defense didn't play well the last couple games, and Carney missed a field goal the last game. This TEAM is losing. I'm not happy with the play or the penalites of any of the team. Why the hell does everyone always make it sound like one person or the defense or the special teams is losing these games. Like everyone else has played like pro-bowlers right? Give me a break.

09-30-2005, 07:51 PM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RE: Time to trade the defense i find the d to be improved this year. not where it needs to be at all but improved. at the same time i always wonder with the talent we have at d-end what the hell is the problem. i come back to coaching. i don't care if it is arron we are talking about or the d i think we need a new staff. jim will probably get another job somewhere else in the league and much like ray rhodes he will again fail. then he will realize he is nothing more then a d-coord. i think that the haz try's and works hard to be a success. it just isn't in him to be one. not at the head coaching position. i hope that starting this week somehow things change around. as much i want jim replaced i would prefer to make the playoffs. the time has been just to hard to take as a fan. anyway that is what i think and take from it what you will. i would say that probably isn't much
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09-30-2005, 09:05 PM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Time to trade the defense Originally Posted by BlackonBlack You know since myself, are anyone else can log onto this site 24 hours a day and 7 days a week and find a biography of Posts about getting rid of Aaron Brooks, the Saints QB. I thought I would post about the side of the ball that's keeping this team from winning, namely the defense. I say lets trade our defense straight up, and add Carney the drunk kicker that misses 10 yard FG'S and PAT'S. For the Bills defense. Got a couple questions for you.. legitimate questions because I'm curious: What makes you defend Aaron Brooks no matter what? What is it that makes Brooks irreplaceable in your opinion?

09-30-2005, 09:39 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RE: Re: Time to trade the defense it is because he is blackinblack the arron brooks lover. i think he took in the shoot once or twice and now he has his man crush on

10-01-2005, 12:25 PM	#5
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I've said it before this week....the defense hasn't lost the last 2 games for us, the offense and special teams has. Could the D play better? Yes...much better, but they're the least of our problems right now. You AB apologists are the most unobjective people I've ever seen. I give AB props when he plays well, I get on him when he doesn't. I used to defend him alot more. He is not getting any better, you could argue that he is getting worse. Here is the simple part: if you thought we would win the last 2 games scoring 10 and 16 points, then you have not watched the Saints lately. There are not alot of teams who can win with that sort of production. Brooks has been innacurate and turnover prone. He hasn't even given us the flashes of brilliance that we get some of the time. How in the hell do Horn and Stallworth combine for 11 yds? It's simple...AB. I've gotten used to these sorts of posts, whether it was Billy/Euph/and now BnB....unhitch your wagon boys. The loyalty is admirable....but it is also blind. You gotta watch the game for what it is....not for ways to defend your boy. I've had it with AB. I will root hard for him tomorrow and he may have a good game....assuring a bad one in Lambeau.
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10-01-2005, 02:23 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by yasoon I've said it before this week....the defense hasn't lost the last 2 games for us, the offense and special teams has. Could the D play better? Yes...much better, but they're the least of our problems right now. You AB apologists are the most unobjective people I've ever seen. I give AB props when he plays well, I get on him when he doesn't. I used to defend him alot more. He is not getting any better, you could argue that he is getting worse. Here is the simple part: if you thought we would win the last 2 games scoring 10 and 16 points, then you have not watched the Saints lately. There are not alot of teams who can win with that sort of production. Brooks has been innacurate and turnover prone. He hasn't even given us the flashes of brilliance that we get some of the time. How in the hell do Horn and Stallworth combine for 11 yds? It's simple...AB. I've gotten used to these sorts of posts, whether it was Billy/Euph/and now BnB....unhitch your wagon boys. The loyalty is admirable....but it is also blind. You gotta watch the game for what it is....not for ways to defend your boy. I've had it with AB. I will root hard for him tomorrow and he may have a good game....assuring a bad one in Lambeau. Great great post yas. Man, I remember a lot of you guys used to defend AB to me. Welcome to the darkside.

10-01-2005, 06:25 PM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Got a couple questions for you.. legitimate questions because I'm curious: What makes you defend Aaron Brooks no matter what? What is it that makes Brooks irreplaceable in your opinion? I'm happy to answer, first-off I don't Brooks no matter what. He does things that makes me want to jack him up in his jaw, see unlike the Professional Group that you're a member of, myself and others know Brooks is not the main issue that is keeping the Saints team from being successful. See, I hate bullys. And I also dislike people that have hidden issues with people because of something else. You people, are forever wanting to rid yourselves of the QB, but not rid yourselves of the true problem...Ya'll just hate Brooks with a passion, period no excuses! I sit here in Arlington, Texas watching Bledsoe play like he's 22 again in NewEngland amazing what the right Coach can bring out in a player. For 5 years we've had the same staff in place as Coaches and still haven't fielded a Defense that could stop a girlscout troop. Does it take 5 years to put a defense that's legit together?? no! they'll go on a winning streak against the worsts offenses in the NFL and then brag about how the defense was ranked in the upper echeleon in the defensive categories during that time and that warrants making no changes, keeping the same players here. .. well, I must say that your answer to my questions is all over the place... So I am part of a professional group of bullies with a hidden agenda.. What exactly do you think is this "hidden agenda"? If one reads between the lines, once would say that what you meant is that we don't want a black QB, because I cannot think of any other possible "hidden agenda" that my colleagues and I could have... well, that and that we want a consistent QB with thick skin, being black, white, or purple, who takes responsibility for his mistakes and looks to improve rather than blame everyone around for losses while taking the credit for the wins... ... but if the thought of racism is what is driving your posting, well, then there's really no point in debating football with you.

10-02-2005, 08:49 AM	#8
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense What in the world is going on? BoB, I have said a couple of points that you have made here, time and time again. Coaching will do more for this team than we realize. I don't think anyone here will dispute that. However if you think some of us have a hidden agenda to replace a black QB with a white QB, I know for a fact that most of the people who speak out against AB want AMac in right now. Now remind me, what skin color does AMac have??? And what the hell does it matter, as long as he is a good person, does what is right and wins us football games! Just a qoute from me...."Racisim will never die as long as people keep bring it up, we are all Americans, some just dumber than others."
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10-02-2005, 10:17 AM	#9
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense Our main problem with defence is Venturi or whoever is calling the plays. We should be leading the league in sacks with the talent we have. However, the coaches are scared to blitz. I understant that our cornerbacks are a bit weak (maybe Mckenzie is the exception), but look at what we did against the Vikings when we started blitzing. We were getting sacks left and right. We were shutting down the run game (admittedly with a break through run or two). Our defense was controlling the game. Yes, we have no great cornerbacks besides Mike Mckenzie. We have a young linebacking corps (give them time.) That said, we have so much talent on defensive line that these facts really shouldn't matter THAT much. Our problem is with the coaches not being able to use the defense to their strengths.
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10-02-2005, 07:41 PM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Time to trade the defense Originally Posted by BlackonBlack What in the world is going on? BoB, I have said a couple of points that you have made here, time and time again. Coaching will do more for this team than we realize. I don't think anyone here will dispute that. However if you think some of us have a hidden agenda to replace a black QB with a white QB, I know for a fact that most of the people who speak out against AB want AMac in right now. Now remind me, what skin color does AMac have??? And what the hell does it matter, as long as he is a good person, does what is right and wins us football games! Just a qoute from me...."Racisim will never die as long as people keep bring it up, we are all Americans, some just dumber than others." Where did you see, a remark about racism in my posts?? I left that open on purpose to let the guilty stew in their own garbage. Nothing else more will be said, I don't wish to have that debate in this forum, honesty will never come-out it only leads to meaningless bickering. Part 2, someone said the defense hasn't cost any of the past 2 games, i'll do a replay for you, the Saints offense findly get their acts together and score late in the game the Saints are down by 8 in the fourth quarter. Only need to get the ball back to tie the game and go into overtime, didn't get the ball back and in fact the Vikings easily scored again. And the defense almost lost the Panthers game for the team, should never have been as close a score as it ended up. Against the Giants they couldn't stop any Giants WR, IF THAT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM i DON'T KNOW WHAT IS! ..well, BoB, you really didn't leave anything open with the "hidden agenda" comment. You obviously think that the people who don't like AB as the Saints QB don't like him because he's black. Nothing else to discuss here...