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While entertaining ... This sucks as the team choked.

It is what it is and we are what we are, an average team that could win and could lose on any given Sunday.

Time to lick your wounds and regroup. Doubt we have any worthwhile answers the rest of the way, albeit we are hopeful .

:bng:

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I don't care what PFF says, Mathieu is awful.

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It's a "Management" issue. From top down.

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The Falcons are rebuilding and dumped aging veterans just before father time inevitably caught up. They will have cap to get stars. They got rid of Julio and Matt just in time and even managed to get value for Deion Jones while he was injured. Now the Panthers are entertaining offers for McCaffery. We need to realize we are in the same class as these teams now except we have less cap space and less draft picks so we need to rebuild more. All our veterans should be available for trade. We should clear enough cap space to afford the cap hits to get out of bad contracts like Peat, Hill, and Thomas. This is not our year. Next year with no top pick, no QB, and cap hell again wont be either.

Unfortunately our GM is Mickey Loomis so I expect we will make moves to shock the world and win now. Perhaps we will restructure and extend Peats contract to make space to sign OBJ and trade Sean Payton to the Panthers for Christian McCaffery. They both fit our system because they are old, injury prone, can be given backloaded new long term contracts, and when they inevitably get injured we can blame losses on bad luck despite having one of the oldest most brittle teams in the league and keep paying Loomis and Allen for bad results at max salary costs.

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A lot of work needed for sure. I do think it’s time to shed some players and rebuild. MT, AK, JW, and a bunch of defensive backs can go.

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This team needs an actual "rebuild" season. They always try to hide the need for a rebuild, and just get into worse position salary cap wise.

This season isn't even a rebuilding one, we just suck.

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The defense stinks right now.

Honey Badger and Roby were chilling today.

Dennis Allen (can't motivate men) gets no pass from me, he's not a quality HC. Pete C play calling remains to be stale. I don't think the Bungalows punted today.

The Saints are just a bad NFL team & poorly coached.

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* It was overly clear that we were missing our #1-3 WRs. The passing game having a total of 53% completions.
* Protection as a whole was pretty good. Hurst should have had help on the second to last drive where Dalton got hit. That had a huge impact on the game.
* Roby played absolutely horrendous today.
* The bad news about Trautman is that he is no Jimmy Graham in the passing game. The good news about Trautman is that he is no Jimmy Graham in the running game. We had a harder time running after his injury.
* Play calling was decently creative in the first half but got really vanilla in the second. We know since som many years back that as soon as we start relaxing and just running base plays the offence fizzles.
* Tyrann Mathieu has been quite a disapointment so far.
* One of Smith's better games catching the ball. He is only a #4 WR in my book at the moment thou.
* Ruiz is groving as a player. The difference to the player he was last year is becoming quite visible.
* 3 Sacks looks good on paper but the pressure isn't consistent enough. It's mainly just spurts but Burrow is too good to have that much time in the pocket.
* If Olave can become something like Chase I'd be quite happy.

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I’m actually encouraged. The dumb pre snap penalties were gone. Team held onto the ball. Running game clicked. Perfect on FGs. Younger guys stepping up.

It’s a long season. We went toe to toe with a team that made it to the SB last year. They have very talented offensive weapons. We had none of our top WRs. We caught 2 bad calls from the refs that kept their drives going.

I watched Eli Manning get 2 rings because his team caught fire at the right time. I’m not predicting a SB win, but I ain’t throwing in the towel.

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All that buzz about "Adebo having an amazing training camp" appears to be all BS.
Maybe he looked so good because our O is so inept, but he's been awful nearly every week.
He's getting abused by offenses.

I questioned why we drafted Alontae Taylor but I now have my answer.

Missed tackles are par for the season with this defense.
Way too much talent lost on defense, especially at Defensive Back.

Dennis Allen and Pete C are terrible.

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I needed this more that I’m willing to admit. I was peaking over the edge.

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next game on Thursday night.
at least I won't have to waste 3 hours in the middle of the day next Sunday

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Last few years, we've seen several teams have HC vacancies. None of those teams even gave D.A a call for an interview. Heck, Houston went with Lovie Smith who hadn't coach in the NFL in several years. What does that tell you about D.A? He's not the long term answer at H.C. Whether he's gone after the end of this season(which he should be) or next season, the Saints seemed destined to rebuild. Time to do it now. Fire D.A. and Pete, blow up the QB depth chart and start over from scratch and start dumping some of these veterans. We had 15 great years with Sean and Drew and to try to continue to run on the fumes left over from that is insane.

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We should have paid Marcus Williams and had him and Marcus Maye and Kept Chauncey. Tyrann has really sold this year.

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"All this negativity…..I mean, we were already down Horn and Stallworth…..who was Brooks supposed to throw to? Deuce did what he could, but Haslett wasn’t aggressive enough to close it out."

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Coverage has been why the pass rush has been dissapointing so far. Trust. The secondary has had the most change and it shows.

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Adebo is very dissapointing as well, I wish Allontae a speedy recovery.

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D was disappointing. Punting was disappointing. Red zone was disappointing (play calling atrocious). Dalton is a steady QB, I just want to see him with top 3 receivers, not practice squad.

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At 2-4, we now have a 9-10% chance of making the playoffs.

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"PLAYOFFS?!?!? PLAYOFFS?!?!? YOU KIDDIN ME?!?!? PLAYOFFS?!?!?"

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At least the Bucs lost today. All we have to do is just suck a little less than TB or ATL to make the playoffs. Of all the years for CSP to leave :(

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I wonder if the two interceptions Chauncey Gardner Johnson had tonight could have made a difference for us today if he was still on the team. I hope Dennis Allen and the other coaches had some wonderful conversations with Justin Evans, Courtney Roby, etc about not intercepting footballs and not winning games and who they won’t select in the first round to not improve the team.

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Positives:
Sustained drives
Rushing attack
Early conversions on 3rd down
Less of the sloppy penalties
Backups played well


Negatives:
Atrocious tackling
Stalling in the red zone repeatedly
Q4 seemed like playing to preserve the lead, not to win the game
Peat down again...

In the end this team still has a chance. For now.

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My Post Mortem Monday Review:

The Uppers
- Ingram came to life and ran through people instead of trying to nifty run around them
- Ruiz is finally pulling his weight and is a solid presence on the O line
- Lutz is back to being Ol’ Reliable
- Trequan. Where the hell has this version been since the beginning of the season?
- Shaheed. Give me more of him. Especially on Returns.
- Keep using Go Go Gadget Hill in the hybrid role, but feed him with some passes in the slot too!

The Downers
- Injuries. We played with back ups and as game as they were, it shows.
- Giving up Big Plays at crucial moments must be in our team DNA. Beastquake. Minneapolis Miracle. Tampa Bay game. Carolina game. Minnesota game. Now, Cincinnati? It’s like being stuck in the effing Twilight Zone! What in the blue hell is up with our safety coverage on deep routes when we KNOW their best receiver is running them?
- Tackling. Trying to make the big impact hit instead of wrapping the runner up! Sweet Baby Jesus and the Grown One too! It’s midget football 101 guys! Seriously.
- Coaching. When you give Burrow (or any other decent NFL QB) 5+ seconds in the pocket, they will eventually make you pay. The DL is getting pressure but they need help. Stubbornly rushing 4 on 3 and longs is not working. It’s not really rocket science why this D only has 1 INT through the first 6 games!!! Create some heat on these QB’s to force some throwing mistakes.

The Mixed Bag
- Again, Coaching. Kudos for some creative play calling in the first half. WTF for going back to Run-Run-Pass when it got close to Crunch Time. Predictable and easy to game plan. Pete, grow a pair or step aside for someone who has already has them.
- Dalton. Good decision making and spreading the ball is a pleasure to watch. Inconsistent with quick reads and getting rid of the ball fast seems to be an issue. If you see the pressure is coming, dump it. Live to fight another battle.
- Red Zone. Yes, the team had several great drives, but coming away with FG's don't cut it. On more TD in this game makes all the difference in the world.

On to Arizona. I’m looking at that window again. Not ready to get on the ledge, but I’m thinking about it.
Praying to see some healthy players back on the field.

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Wait, what? ... I must have missed that.

When? I hope not another concussion. He's already had 2 this year.

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.....man, all that money just sitting the bench scratching his athlete feet fungus. Get RID of the prima donna and get a couple players that WANT to win signed:dunce:

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Lots of things went on in that game. Let’s not forget Burrough pulled 2 amazing plays out of his….hat to win that game. That was Mahomes/Allen level stuff. That’s what Jamar friggin Chase does. People think we are the first team to give up plays to them? Jeepers, seems like some users have very unrealistic expectations IMO. Playing without our top 3 WRs and it’s surprising we struggled in the red zone??!! Playing without top CBs and Safties and it’s a shock that Cincy had big offense plays? SMH. Again, take away the BS roughing the passer that helped keep their drive going and/or call the PI where Kamara got knocked off his feet and we got a different outcome.

Three biggest problems this year IMO are:
1) Lack of practice time together as I’ve pointed out is a result of shorter preseason and new players. As the season has gone on that continuity has gotten better.

2) Injuries. Enough said.

3). Refs. I firmly believe that a min of 2 and likely all 4 losses would have been Ws with even FAIR treatment by the zebras. Tampa is 1-5 without Refs help.

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We are 2-4. Not 3-3. I know that Loomis won't fire DA or Carmichael during the season. Jerry Jones would do it in a heart beat. It probably won't happen though because we are a family run business and not run by a "corporate mentality" that would clean house now. All I know is that DA's system doesn't work as a head coach. Cut bait now. We need fresh leadership!

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If this was Dallas or another big Market team Dennis Allen and Carmichael would be gone by now. I know that Loomis will not fire either one of them because this is a family-run business and we don't have that corporate mentality. However, it is time for a change in leadership and getting a fresh face in here would do wonders.

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In their first season as head coach of the team with the injuries they have had? I don’t think they’d be gone for any other franchise.

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Case in point Rugby…McCarthy was 2-7 going into the bye week is first Season in Dallas. He went on to a 6-10 record. This was after two losing seasons in GB. Dallas didn’t fire him quickly.

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Exactly what I was about to post, Boston. This isn't on Allen or Carmichael nor would any respectable franchise see it that way. Could there have been a bit more aggressive playcalling? Perhaps. But fielding a team littered with backups in place of key starters is not conducive to winning close games. Just as with Payton's great job last season facing much of the same, let's see what happens once we finally start getting some frontline players back. Every game has been close enough to have been a victory with a better bounce, or call, here or there.

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Yup. And where is McCarthy now? Sitting with one of the better records in the entire league.

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Meanwhile what happened to this DEFENSE?! The tackling was atrocious. Didn't hear Tanoh, Davenport, or Cam's name called once. Why was Payton Turner a healthy scratch?

Giving up over 30+ points over the last two weeks ...

Redbirds, Raiders, Ravens & Steelers won't feel sorry for us.

Don't look now but the Panthers have traded Robby Anderson to the Cardinals & they also get Hopkins back (6 gm suspension) for our game on Thursday Night :rolleyes:.

No Lattimore on Thursday ... and we saw what Chase did to Roby/Adebo.

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Cardinals offense was abysmal versus the Seahawks yesterday.

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So was the Saints defense.

Giving up more than 30+ points in 2 games. Currently ranked 28th in points allowed.

Don't you have lower level seats?? :rolleyes:? This defense is underperforming big time.

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I noticed him pointing to his chest and wincing like he ate too many burritos.

Then I saw a lot of Lewis Kidd playing his position.

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One can only hope they do better. I can say that missing Lattimore really hurt against Chase. He looked to be just outmuscling the defense.

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CBSSports.com Week Six Grades


Saints

B

With several of their biggest receiving weapons out due to injury -- including Jarvis Landry , Chris Olave and Michael Thomas -- the Saints turned to their ground game and their rushing attack almost did enough to pull off the upset here. The Saints averaged an absurd 6.7 yards per carry in this game (34 carries for 228 yards) and a big part of that was because they had three different players who had at least one carry of 30 yards more. The problem for the Saints offense, though, is that it couldn't score in the red zone. On five trips inside of Cincinnati's 20-yard line, the Saints only came away with one TD. The other problem with the Saints is that their defense can't stop anyone. The unit was supposed to be a strength coming into the season, but it has now given up 28 or more points in three straight games.