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BakoSaint 10-22-2022 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961633)
In other words, they feel that he "pissed in their Cheerios". I believe that's exactly what shawnky's talking about.

Personally, any player can piss in my cheerios as long as he comes back and and puts up three TD's every two games. Then again. I don't eat cereal.

:D

Guido you should start a business and hire employees who miss 75% of their time at work, don’t return your calls, fight their coworkers, and piss in your food.

SaintFanQ 10-23-2022 05:41 AM

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This maybe old news but I just heard Kirkwood was released on Thursday?

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 961646)
Nope, you've misconstrued what I meant.

When I say before that contract, I'm saying that soon after he got that contract, he then started having injury issues and has missed a ton of games since.

So I thought he was a lock for the hall of fame before the injuries / the new contract.

Oh, okay! Sorry. I have just heard others pulling the stupid "$100 million player", "paid so he quit", and "over priced diva" cards so often, when the only issue has been a couple of unavoidable injuries.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961648)
Guido you should start a business and hire employees who miss 75% of their time at work, don’t return your calls, fight their coworkers, and piss in your food.

Once again, I would not blame an employee if they were injured, especially while on the job, and was forced to miss extensive time. As for not returning calls, what exactly do you know about any of that? Nothing but the rumors you read from the world wide web. The real story can be dramatically different than you perceive. As for fights, ask anyone who has played the game. Fights are common place at practices. It was a one time isolated affair that garnered him a short benching from the team, not for fighting per se, but for letting someone get under his skin and reacting badly with one of the coaches in the aftermath.

As for pissing in my food, I'll gladly set out a bowl of dry breakfast cereal for any player that can break NFL records to use as a urinal.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanQ (Post 961650)
This maybe old news but I just heard Kirkwood was released on Thursday?

He was signed to the 53 man roster earlier with Thomas and Landry out. It would make sense trying to move him back to the practice squad if either or both are returning very soon. That would require releasing him since it didn't appear to be one of the limited protected elevations and demotions from the squad.

Boston Saint 10-23-2022 08:47 AM

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Can always count on Guido to be dishonest.

saintsfan1976 10-23-2022 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 961647)
1. Coaching
2. Injuries
3. Left side of the offensive line.
4. Lack of a consistent pass rush.

I don’t identify a lack of talent on the roster…just a lack of availability and the inability to utilize the talent effectively. How they haven’t realized Taysom Hill is always the answer in the red zone is beyond me. Why Shaheed hasn’t played more offense is something I can’t answer. They actually have the speed with Olave, Shaheed, and Kevin White to really gash teams with rub routes and double moves. Do we see it? Nah.

This is the most accurate assessment in my view.

saintsfan1976 10-23-2022 09:36 AM

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I've been clear and consistent on my opinion of the continued Michael Thomas saga. But he's not even in my top 10 concerns at the moment.

Boston Saint 10-23-2022 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961657)
I've been clear and consistent on my opinion of the continued Michael Thomas saga. But he's not even in my top 10 concerns at the moment.

Well, maybe he’s like number 7 for me.

cmike 10-23-2022 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961657)
I've been clear and consistent on my opinion of the continued Michael Thomas saga. But he's not even in my top 10 concerns at the moment.

Aside from Callaway’s performance the last 2 games, WR hasn’t been the reason for our losses. Only 1 int by the D the whole season just won’t cut it.
Bad tackling, penalties and turnovers top my list.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cmike (Post 961660)
Aside from Callaway’s performance the last 2 games, WR hasn’t been the reason for our losses. Only 1 int by the D the whole season just won’t cut it.
Bad tackling, penalties and turnovers top my list.

All three of those can be attributed, in part at least, to less talented players being forced into starting assignments due to the rash of injuries to key starters.

shawnkytonk 10-23-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 961629)
In all fairness please don’t lump all people that have issues with Thomas in the same “pissed in their cheerios” group shawnk. Their are the extreme views like bako’s, but then their are those like me that have no problem with him being on the team and really would like him to be on the field playing, but have legitimate issues with some of his past actions and descisions and wonder if there is carryover.

I wasn't insinuating anything about you. It been documented that I don't share your issues on MT. You think he turned his back on Drew, SP, etc. I don't see it that way. The Saints brought him back in about half the time they should have which led to making the injury worse. I don't like how he handled it, but I can't blame him for what he did. The team didn't have his best interests bringing him back so soon.

shawnkytonk 10-23-2022 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 961637)
And just because you feel that way, doesn't mean others have to also.

I'm one of the ones thats annoyed at the lack of availability from Thomas over the past few years. When a large portion of our cap, is going to a guy thats missed 30 games over the past 2.5 years, I think it's more than acceptable for fans to not be best pleased about that.

Especially when he's a player that could really help this team.
I thought he was a lock for the hall of fame before that contract, now I'm wondering if he'll ever be available for a run of games.

Well they did bring him back after 7 weeks of the initial injury. That's about half the time it takes to heal from a HAS. He balled out during his time back. Not surprising the injury got worse.

shawnkytonk 10-23-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961648)
Guido you should start a business and hire employees who miss 75% of their time at work, don’t return your calls, fight their coworkers, and piss in your food.

Your schtick is a bunch of BS and flawed. I don't understand why folks come here to whine.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 961666)
Your schtick is a bunch of BS and flawed. I don't understand why folks come here to whine.

You and me both, shawnky.

mapcow 10-23-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961599)
I've stopped reading your ramblings. Sorry.


Then why did you reply to it? Or is that just a rumor as well? LMAOF:bng:

mapcow 10-23-2022 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 961654)
Can always count on Guido to be dishonest.

and a rumor queen

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 961666)
Your schtick is a bunch of BS and flawed. I don't understand why folks come here to whine.

<---- This is coming from someone who thinks Dennis Allen and Michael Thomas' schtick is gold.

I am not whining. I am advocating for concrete change that amounts to cleaning house and going through a rebuild while retaining certain key young stars. These are reasonable steps which many franchises in every league go through. We may have a difference of opinion on whether the Saints need to go through this, but achieving a 2-5 record while leading the league in future 2023 salary cap commitment and not having a first round pick or long term solution at QB certainly indicates a rebuild should be considered and that our current GM and coach are not on pace for any league awards this year.

I don't understand why people come here to talk about how everything is great and nothing needs to change and how we just need to keep doing what we are doing when we are 2-5. I guess I could call it the 'Broken Crock Pot' society. Some of yall just see the bad results and have no interest in fixing whats broken or demanding results soon. You just plug in the broken crock pot, find the red beans are still room temperature in the morning, and say lets leave it plugged in another day or two, just keep doing what we are doing.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961670)
<---- This is coming from someone who thinks Dennis Allen and Michael Thomas' schtick is gold.

I am not whining. I am advocating for concrete change that amounts to cleaning house and going through a rebuild while retaining certain key young stars. These are reasonable steps which many franchises in every league go through. We may have a difference of opinion on whether the Saints need to go through this, but achieving a 2-5 record while leading the league in future 2023 salary cap commitment and not having a first round pick or long term solution at QB certainly indicates a rebuild should be considered and that our current GM and coach are not on pace for any league awards this year.

I don't understand why people come here to talk about how everything is great and nothing needs to change and how we just need to keep doing what we are doing when we are 2-5. I guess I could call it the 'Broken Crock Pot' society. Some of yall just see the bad results and have no interest in fixing whats broken or demanding results soon. You just plug in the broken crock pot, find the red beans are still room temperature in the morning, and say lets leave it plugged in another day or two, just keep doing what we are doing.

All you ever do is moan and *****. The subject matter changes slightly, but the tenor is always the same.

rezburna 10-23-2022 01:34 PM

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I just saw that Bradley Chubb might be available. Denver might have a heavy price, but we should make an effort to get him. We can slide Cam Jordan inside on pass rush downs and let Chubb and Davenport bring the heat off the edge.

papz 10-23-2022 02:36 PM

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While the idea of Chubb is enticing, we can’t afford it financially or draft capital wise. We’re in a pickle. First and foremost, we need direction of where we’re headed as a franchise.

rezburna 10-23-2022 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 961675)
While the idea of Chubb is enticing, we can’t afford it financially or draft capital wise. We’re in a pickle. First and foremost, we need direction of where we’re headed as a franchise.

I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over.

TB 3-4
ATL 3-4
CAR 2-5
NO 2-5

We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it.

Boston Saint 10-23-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 961676)
I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over.

TB 3-4
ATL 3-4
CAR 2-5
NO 2-5

We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it.

I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same.

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 03:50 PM

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We can win this division. We can dominate this division. We can have a streak for the ages full of much glory and honor in this division this year. But thats because its a weak division. When we get to the playoffs and face dallas, philly, bills, kc etc we will get steamrolled.

The Panthers and Falcons are both rebuilding. They both traded key players to give themselves more picks yet they are both in superior positions to us. One has more wins, the other has the same record but beat us head to head. We can also still win this division while rebuilding. The Panthers traded CMC and beat the Bucs with an interim coach. We could trade Kamara or Thomas and beat the Bucs with an interim coach too.

Any team can compete in this division this year. But if we hope to compete in the future we cant afford to let our rivals fix their cap issues and add draft picks while we do nothing. A rebuild can actually make us better by showing there is accounability not just bailouts.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961679)
We can win this division. We can dominate this division. We can have a streak for the ages full of much glory and honor in this division this year. But thats because its a weak division. When we get to the playoffs and face dallas, philly, bills, kc etc we will get steamrolled.

The Panthers and Falcons are both rebuilding. They both traded key players to give themselves more picks yet they are both in superior positions to us. One has more wins, the other has the same record but beat us head to head. We can also still win this division while rebuilding. The Panthers traded CMC and beat the Bucs with an interim coach. We could trade Kamara or Thomas and beat the Bucs with an interim coach too.

Any team can compete in this division this year. But if we hope to compete in the future we cant afford to let our rivals fix their cap issues and add draft picks while we do nothing. A rebuild can actually make us better by showing there is accounability not just bailouts.

Woe be us! :rolleyes:

I swear, if our players had your positive mental attitude we'd never win more than two or three games.

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961680)
Woe be us! :rolleyes:

I swear, if our players had your positive mental attitude we'd never win more than two or three games.

Your attitude is negative. You think if we change coaches midseason and trade away a star or two we can't compete and will be throwing away the season. I believe in the underdogs on the team and think that a little accountability and optimism will light a fire under them. Just look at Carolina! They got rid of a lousy coach, did the right thing long term in unloading a star who was costly and prone to injury, and now they just won the game of the year for them. Honestly, Carolina is in the drivers seat in this division although they are 1 game back. The are the only team that is undefeated within the division and they won both games by over 7 points. Their record is a product of a tough schedule so far outside the division that will get easier as they go. I believe this team can win too and that doing the right thing and making hard choices to reduce our 2023+ salary cap load and add draft picks wont make us worse, it will make us better. Adding an OBJ or whatever and bloating the 2023 cap even further won't make us contenders, it will be part of the problem. We are too old, too entitled, with too many contended vets brought on from other teams to put us over the top but in reality just going through the motions. The way to win this division is to be the young hungry underdog team not to double down on the formula that has put us in last place in the division.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961681)
Your attitude is negative. You think if we change coaches midseason and trade away a star or two we can't compete and will be throwing away the season. I believe in the underdogs on the team and think that a little accountability and optimism will light a fire under them. Just look at Carolina! They got rid of a lousy coach, did the right thing long term in unloading a star who was costly and prone to injury, and now they just won the game of the year for them. Honestly, Carolina is in the drivers seat in this division although they are 1 game back. The are the only team that is undefeated within the division and they won both games by over 7 points. Their record is a product of a tough schedule so far outside the division that will get easier as they go. I believe this team can win too and that doing the right thing and making hard choices to reduce our 2023+ salary cap load and add draft picks wont make us worse, it will make us better. Adding an OBJ or whatever and bloating the 2023 cap even further won't make us contenders, it will be part of the problem. We are too old, too entitled, with too many contended vets brought on from other teams to put us over the top but in reality just going through the motions. The way to win this division is to be the young hungry underdog team not to double down on the formula that has put us in last place in the division.

Sorry. I stopped reading your drivel. Same old crap over and over and over and over again.

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961682)
Sorry. I stopped reading your drivel. Same old crap over and over and over and over again.

That's alright I don't respect you either.

We both made predictions on the Saints record before this season and I guess at the end we will see whose was closer.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961683)
That's alright I don't respect you either.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I totally respect your ability to construct these expansive dissertations that nine of ten people no longer even read.

:beatnik:

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961683)
We both made predictions on the Saints record before this season and I guess at the end we will see whose was closer.

You confuse me with someone who cares about predictions. I make the same prediction every year. I only care about the game at hand.

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961685)
You confuse me with someone who cares about predictions. I make the same prediction every year. I only care about the game at hand.

Only care about the game at hand = don't care about the future of the team.

neugey 10-23-2022 04:25 PM

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While I was shopping with the wife I see the Bucs getting slapped by the Panthers. Laughing hysterically on the inside.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 961676)
I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over.

TB 3-4
ATL 3-4
CAR 2-5
NO 2-5

We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it.

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 961678)
I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same.

I had dropped in earlier as soon as the Bucs stunk it up again to say the same things.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961686)
Only care about the game at hand = don't care about the future of the team.

Of course I care about the future of the team. But I know I have no ability to affect it, nor do you for that matter, but I choose not to on it dwell endlessly trying to convince others that I have all of the solutions to all that ails the franchise. Ad nauseum.

What happens happens. I gladly hope for the best because neither of us can affect the future success of the team.

papz 10-23-2022 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 961676)
I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over.

TB 3-4
ATL 3-4
CAR 2-5
NO 2-5

We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it.

I get it. At the same time, if we get there and get knocked out like we always do, we’re in worse shape than we started. I don’t think it’s as cut and dry. There’s talent there we just need to play better.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 961690)
I get it. At the same time, if we get there and get knocked out like we always do, we’re in worse shape than we started. I don’t think it’s as cut and dry. There’s talent there we just need to play better.

Thirteen teams now get knocked out every year after getting there. But you don't have a chance of winning it all if you don't get there. But you are correct that there is talent there already.

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 961678)
I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same.

But the 2010 Seahawks beating us in the playoffs didn't matter. They lost in the next round. What mattered is that they didn't make any blockbuster trades or signings where they gave up a lot of draft picks or mortgaged their salary cap for years to come. Then they went on to have great drafts in 2011 and 2012 and the salary cap space to keep their young core together and they won a Superbowl as a young primarily home grown team. All the Seahawks show is that any team can win a weak division but that is unlikely to result in a ring, what results in a ring is focusing more on the future when you are in a situation like that, as the Seahawks did, which got them their ring down the road, instead of trading the draft picks that became Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson to win it all that year as 7-9 division champs.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 05:28 PM

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Does Bako get paid by the letter or the word?

:confused:

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961691)
Thirteen teams now get knocked out every year after getting there. But you don't have a chance of winning it all if you don't get there. But you are correct that there is talent there already.

Winning it all without a franchise QB is very very hard. We can't get a franchise QB if we don't have draft picks and/or salary cap space. Winning the draft and winning free agency are very hard without picks or money. We have the talent to make the playoffs. Lots of teams make the playoffs without a franchise QB. But we need to focus on getting the QB first if we want the trip to be a happy one.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961694)
Winning it all without a franchise QB is very very hard. We can't get a franchise QB if we don't have draft picks and/or salary cap space. Winning the draft and winning free agency are very hard without picks or money. We have the talent to make the playoffs. Lots of teams make the playoffs without a franchise QB. But we need to focus on getting the QB first if we want the trip to be a happy one.

I'm sure all of your serious focusing is going to get us exactly what we need. Let us know when you've accomplished your goal!

:bng::chug:


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