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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; We should rebuild. This is not our year. Could we sneak into the playoffs? It's not impossible. But on the off chance we did, we are not winning 4 straight games against winning teams like the Eagles, Cowboys, KC, or ...

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Old 10-21-2022, 01:26 PM   #1
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Re: Everything Must Go?

We should rebuild. This is not our year. Could we sneak into the playoffs? It's not impossible. But on the off chance we did, we are not winning 4 straight games against winning teams like the Eagles, Cowboys, KC, or Buffalo and getting a ring for Dennis Allen, its not happening.

Having said that, the Cleveland Browns - Hue Jackson model does not work. It's not worth getting a top draft pick to establish a gutter reputation and low standards that you can't shake even when you have the assets to win. At the same time, the Mickey Loomis model of maxing out the salary cap ever year and forcing yourself to extend players you would rather cut in order to kick the can down the road does not work either. Tampa Bay won a ring by savings up some salary cap space for a couple of years by not going all in on winning now with Jameis, then spending their powder when they had the QB in Brady to go all the way. The Patriots won for many years and sure Brady helped, but undeniably another part of their formula was being willing to trade expensive vets, let some walk, avoid overspending on most aging players, and avoid overspending at the RB and WR positions in particular while relying instead on affordable ensemble casts. Even the Rams, who I view as an anomaly in other ways with their strategies, did take the cap medicine to get rid of their bad contracts with Goff and Gurley before they won their ring. I think the ideal rebuild scenario is to have great coaches and a great GM so that even when you purge expensive veterans you still hope to go about .500, maybe 6-10 at worst, and to be a contender mid season, even with a team stripped of most high prices veterans and relying on some up and comers with a chip on their shoulder making a name for themselves. If you say go out and lose, you can't easily unsay that when you think you have your franchise QB.

So I would say that we need to rebuild and to do that, its valuable to trade aging vets or injury prone players for value and/or to straight up cut bad contracts with no value. We are about equal with the Falcons and Panthers in our team quality this year. If they reload for the future and we try to win now when its not realistic, they will dominate us for years to come.

Here would be my list:

Keep:
Werner
Olave
Ramczyk
CGJ (should have, he was part of our core for the future)
McCoy
Other young healthy players with value.

Consider trading for the right value (they are good but expensive and injury/suspension prone and there are high odds they will not be good in 2-3 years when we are contending better):
Kamara
Lattimore

Trade these vets if they want a shot at a ring this year, keep them if they want to stay, important to do the right thing to be a class organization as long as they don't want a cap busting record deal:
Cam Jordan
Demario Davis

Fire Sale or Cut if No Value, in approximate order of possible value:
Michael Thomas
Marcus Maye
Jarvis Landry
Taysom Hill
Molasses Badger
Jameis Winston/Andy Dalton
Payton Turner/Tearer/Sprainer/Twister/Strainer/Fracture
Andrus Peat
Trequane Smith
Dennis Allen
Mickey Loomis

Don't resign unless very little guaranteed money, consider trading if there is an offer:
Marcus Davenport
David Onyemata

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Old 10-21-2022, 05:47 PM   #2
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Re: Everything Must Go?

Originally Posted by BakoSaint View Post
We should rebuild. This is not our year. Could we sneak into the playoffs? It's not impossible. But on the off chance we did, we are not winning 4 straight games against winning teams like the Eagles, Cowboys, KC, or Buffalo and getting a ring for Dennis Allen, its not happening.

Having said that, the Cleveland Browns - Hue Jackson model does not work. It's not worth getting a top draft pick to establish a gutter reputation and low standards that you can't shake even when you have the assets to win. At the same time, the Mickey Loomis model of maxing out the salary cap ever year and forcing yourself to extend players you would rather cut in order to kick the can down the road does not work either. Tampa Bay won a ring by savings up some salary cap space for a couple of years by not going all in on winning now with Jameis, then spending their powder when they had the QB in Brady to go all the way. The Patriots won for many years and sure Brady helped, but undeniably another part of their formula was being willing to trade expensive vets, let some walk, avoid overspending on most aging players, and avoid overspending at the RB and WR positions in particular while relying instead on affordable ensemble casts. Even the Rams, who I view as an anomaly in other ways with their strategies, did take the cap medicine to get rid of their bad contracts with Goff and Gurley before they won their ring. I think the ideal rebuild scenario is to have great coaches and a great GM so that even when you purge expensive veterans you still hope to go about .500, maybe 6-10 at worst, and to be a contender mid season, even with a team stripped of most high prices veterans and relying on some up and comers with a chip on their shoulder making a name for themselves. If you say go out and lose, you can't easily unsay that when you think you have your franchise QB.

So I would say that we need to rebuild and to do that, its valuable to trade aging vets or injury prone players for value and/or to straight up cut bad contracts with no value. We are about equal with the Falcons and Panthers in our team quality this year. If they reload for the future and we try to win now when its not realistic, they will dominate us for years to come.

Here would be my list:

Keep:
Werner
Olave
Ramczyk
CGJ (should have, he was part of our core for the future)
McCoy
Other young healthy players with value.

Consider trading for the right value (they are good but expensive and injury/suspension prone and there are high odds they will not be good in 2-3 years when we are contending better):
Kamara
Lattimore

Trade these vets if they want a shot at a ring this year, keep them if they want to stay, important to do the right thing to be a class organization as long as they don't want a cap busting record deal:
Cam Jordan
Demario Davis

Fire Sale or Cut if No Value, in approximate order of possible value:
Michael Thomas
Marcus Maye
Jarvis Landry
Taysom Hill
Molasses Badger
Jameis Winston/Andy Dalton
Payton Turner/Tearer/Sprainer/Twister/Strainer/Fracture
Andrus Peat
Trequane Smith
Dennis Allen
Mickey Loomis

Don't resign unless very little guaranteed money, consider trading if there is an offer:
Marcus Davenport
David Onyemata
Did you look at the cap hits for cutting the players we couldn't trade? I'm thinking it will be too costly to pay several of those players not to be here.
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