Everything Must Go?

Boston Saint · 10-23-2022, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over.

TB 3-4
ATL 3-4
CAR 2-5
NO 2-5

We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it.

I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same.

AsylumGuido · 10-23-2022, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over.

TB 3-4
ATL 3-4
CAR 2-5
NO 2-5

We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same.

I had dropped in earlier as soon as the Bucs stunk it up again to say the same things.

BakoSaint · 10-23-2022, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same.

But the 2010 Seahawks beating us in the playoffs didn't matter. They lost in the next round. What mattered is that they didn't make any blockbuster trades or signings where they gave up a lot of draft picks or mortgaged their salary cap for years to come. Then they went on to have great drafts in 2011 and 2012 and the salary cap space to keep their young core together and they won a Superbowl as a young primarily home grown team. All the Seahawks show is that any team can win a weak division but that is unlikely to result in a ring, what results in a ring is focusing more on the future when you are in a situation like that, as the Seahawks did, which got them their ring down the road, instead of trading the draft picks that became Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson to win it all that year as 7-9 division champs.

AsylumGuido · 10-23-2022, 05:28 PM

Does Bako get paid by the letter or the word?

Boston Saint · 10-23-2022, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

But the 2010 Seahawks beating us in the playoffs didn't matter. They lost in the next round. What mattered is that they didn't make any blockbuster trades or signings where they gave up a lot of draft picks or mortgaged their salary cap for years to come. Then they went on to have great drafts in 2011 and 2012 and the salary cap space to keep their young core together and they won a Superbowl as a young primarily home grown team. All the Seahawks show is that any team can win a weak division but that is unlikely to result in a ring, what results in a ring is focusing more on the future when you are in a situation like that, as the Seahawks did, which got them their ring down the road, instead of trading the draft picks that became Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson to win it all that year as 7-9 division champs.

I was at that game bako. It mattered a HELL of a lot to the 50 plus thousand fans screaming in the stadium.

AsylumGuido · 10-23-2022, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I was at that game bako. It mattered a HELL of a lot to the 50 plus thousand fans screaming in the stadium.

Exactly! When we win the division this season and host the game the record doesn't matter. We'll be in those stands along with 70,000 others giving it our all, as well! You never know what can happen. It's any given Sunday (or Satruday) even in January or February.

BakoSaint · 10-23-2022, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly! When we win the division this season and host the game the record doesn't matter. We'll be in those stands along with 70,000 others giving it our all, as well! You never know what can happen. It's any given Sunday (or Satruday) even in January or February.

I’ve been watching this team. I do know what can happen. If by some insane miracle we get to the NFC championship game against Philly in Philly, with the Bills having just won the AFC championship, and the refs basically doing what they do to us in big games, we are not in any universe in any way overcoming a series of ridiculous calls that WILL happen to so thoroughly dominate Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that we win it all anyway. It is not possible. It is not a ticket. It is a delusion. Yeah the Giants won it all as scrappy wildcards buy they had a franchise QB, the most feared pass rusher in the game, a cold weather team that heated up in the winter grind, and refs who didnt hate them. We need to rebuild. We are last in our division. We have no wins against good teams. We are not contenders for the ultimate prize.

Boston Saint · 10-24-2022, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I’ve been watching this team. I do know what can happen. If by some insane miracle we get to the NFC championship game against Philly in Philly, with the Bills having just won the AFC championship, and the refs basically doing what they do to us in big games, we are not in any universe in any way overcoming a series of ridiculous calls that WILL happen to so thoroughly dominate Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that we win it all anyway. It is not possible. It is not a ticket. It is a delusion. Yeah the Giants won it all as scrappy wildcards buy they had a franchise QB, the most feared pass rusher in the game, a cold weather team that heated up in the winter grind, and refs who didnt hate them. We need to rebuild. We are last in our division. We have no wins against good teams. We are not contenders for the ultimate prize.

Ok bako, but step back and look at what you just wrote. It seems like you are saying that the Bills will win the AFC and team x will play the Eagles in the NFC championship game and anything else is a Miracle. You could put Tampa, Niners, Packers, etc in place of the Saints in your post and it would be the same. There are many teams in both leagues that can stop the situation you proposed. Seems you are singling out the Saints and deciding the SB contenders after less than half the season. Again, i recognize it’s your right to your opinion and you may be correct. Seems like you want to be correct about it though bako.

AsylumGuido · 10-24-2022, 02:57 PM

BakoSaint · 10-24-2022, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Ok bako, but step back and look at what you just wrote. It seems like you are saying that the Bills will win the AFC and team x will play the Eagles in the NFC championship game and anything else is a Miracle. You could put Tampa, Niners, Packers, etc in place of the Saints in your post and it would be the same. There are many teams in both leagues that can stop the situation you proposed. Seems you are singling out the Saints and deciding the SB contenders after less than half the season. Again, i recognize it’s your right to your opinion and you may be correct. Seems like you want to be correct about it though bako.

I realize the future is uncertain. There are other elite teams in each league and things could change. Maybe we would have to go through Dallas and KC if those teams get hot. At 2-5, I don't think there is a reasonable scenario where we are getting a 1st round bye in the playoffs. I don't think we are winning 4 straight games against increasingly formidable playoff teams with this older injury prone roster, no long term solution at QB, refs that hate us, less cap space to make additions than our rivals, and a head coach who has consistently produced an about .250 winning percentage.

I don't see it as about wanting to be correct. Whatever the outcome would be there is a correct action to take in hindsight for that outcome, load up if we can really win it all now, or rebuild to have more cap space and draft picks for the future if we really can't. Nobody wants to have to buy new tires on their car but if they just believe that the threadbare tires can go the distance, thats great if they are right, but if they are wrong they might be buying new rims or a new bumper, hood, and radiator or a new face. I can't make myself believe our tires can go the distance even if I might want to. Its not that I am not a true fan of the tires or don't love the tires, its just I see the threads, and I don't want to crash. We have been working toward those threads for years and I don't want to continue to rob future salary caps and draft classes to win now when we are 2-5. I don't want us to be the first team in NFL history to go 0-17, which I think is the type of thing that happens down the road if we say 'damn the future, win now' when we are 2-5.

10-23-2022, 03:14 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by rezburna I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over. TB 3-4 ATL 3-4 CAR 2-5 NO 2-5 We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it. I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-23-2022, 04:26 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by rezburna I think we have to recognize this season isn’t over. TB 3-4 ATL 3-4 CAR 2-5 NO 2-5 We just gotta get healthy and go on a run. We can win this division. Nobody stands out. We're likely still the most talented. I think we need to consider making a move to improve this roster because it’s loaded and we can win with it. Originally Posted by Boston Saint I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same. I had dropped in earlier as soon as the Bucs stunk it up again to say the same things.

10-23-2022, 05:18 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by Boston Saint I said before the Az game we were one game out of first and supposed to get healthier. If 7-9 seahawks made it to the playoffs and beat us in the playoffs then we could do the same. But the 2010 Seahawks beating us in the playoffs didn't matter. They lost in the next round. What mattered is that they didn't make any blockbuster trades or signings where they gave up a lot of draft picks or mortgaged their salary cap for years to come. Then they went on to have great drafts in 2011 and 2012 and the salary cap space to keep their young core together and they won a Superbowl as a young primarily home grown team. All the Seahawks show is that any team can win a weak division but that is unlikely to result in a ring, what results in a ring is focusing more on the future when you are in a situation like that, as the Seahawks did, which got them their ring down the road, instead of trading the draft picks that became Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson to win it all that year as 7-9 division champs.
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390

10-23-2022, 05:28 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Everything Must Go? Does Bako get paid by the letter or the word?

10-23-2022, 05:42 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by BakoSaint But the 2010 Seahawks beating us in the playoffs didn't matter. They lost in the next round. What mattered is that they didn't make any blockbuster trades or signings where they gave up a lot of draft picks or mortgaged their salary cap for years to come. Then they went on to have great drafts in 2011 and 2012 and the salary cap space to keep their young core together and they won a Superbowl as a young primarily home grown team. All the Seahawks show is that any team can win a weak division but that is unlikely to result in a ring, what results in a ring is focusing more on the future when you are in a situation like that, as the Seahawks did, which got them their ring down the road, instead of trading the draft picks that became Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson to win it all that year as 7-9 division champs. I was at that game bako. It mattered a HELL of a lot to the 50 plus thousand fans screaming in the stadium. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-23-2022, 05:46 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by Boston Saint I was at that game bako. It mattered a HELL of a lot to the 50 plus thousand fans screaming in the stadium. Exactly! When we win the division this season and host the game the record doesn't matter. We'll be in those stands along with 70,000 others giving it our all, as well! You never know what can happen. It's any given Sunday (or Satruday) even in January or February.

10-23-2022, 09:05 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly! When we win the division this season and host the game the record doesn't matter. We'll be in those stands along with 70,000 others giving it our all, as well! You never know what can happen. It's any given Sunday (or Satruday) even in January or February. I’ve been watching this team. I do know what can happen. If by some insane miracle we get to the NFC championship game against Philly in Philly, with the Bills having just won the AFC championship, and the refs basically doing what they do to us in big games, we are not in any universe in any way overcoming a series of ridiculous calls that WILL happen to so thoroughly dominate Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that we win it all anyway. It is not possible. It is not a ticket. It is a delusion. Yeah the Giants won it all as scrappy wildcards buy they had a franchise QB, the most feared pass rusher in the game, a cold weather team that heated up in the winter grind, and refs who didnt hate them. We need to rebuild. We are last in our division. We have no wins against good teams. We are not contenders for the ultimate prize.
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390

10-24-2022, 12:37 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by BakoSaint I’ve been watching this team. I do know what can happen. If by some insane miracle we get to the NFC championship game against Philly in Philly, with the Bills having just won the AFC championship, and the refs basically doing what they do to us in big games, we are not in any universe in any way overcoming a series of ridiculous calls that WILL happen to so thoroughly dominate Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that we win it all anyway. It is not possible. It is not a ticket. It is a delusion. Yeah the Giants won it all as scrappy wildcards buy they had a franchise QB, the most feared pass rusher in the game, a cold weather team that heated up in the winter grind, and refs who didnt hate them. We need to rebuild. We are last in our division. We have no wins against good teams. We are not contenders for the ultimate prize. Ok bako, but step back and look at what you just wrote. It seems like you are saying that the Bills will win the AFC and team x will play the Eagles in the NFC championship game and anything else is a Miracle. You could put Tampa, Niners, Packers, etc in place of the Saints in your post and it would be the same. There are many teams in both leagues that can stop the situation you proposed. Seems you are singling out the Saints and deciding the SB contenders after less than half the season. Again, i recognize it’s your right to your opinion and you may be correct. Seems like you want to be correct about it though bako.
	You think you know, but you don’t know...and you never will! Coach Jim Mora

10-24-2022, 02:57 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Everything Must Go? Twitter

10-24-2022, 09:34 PM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Everything Must Go? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Ok bako, but step back and look at what you just wrote. It seems like you are saying that the Bills will win the AFC and team x will play the Eagles in the NFC championship game and anything else is a Miracle. You could put Tampa, Niners, Packers, etc in place of the Saints in your post and it would be the same. There are many teams in both leagues that can stop the situation you proposed. Seems you are singling out the Saints and deciding the SB contenders after less than half the season. Again, i recognize it’s your right to your opinion and you may be correct. Seems like you want to be correct about it though bako. I realize the future is uncertain. There are other elite teams in each league and things could change. Maybe we would have to go through Dallas and KC if those teams get hot. At 2-5, I don't think there is a reasonable scenario where we are getting a 1st round bye in the playoffs. I don't think we are winning 4 straight games against increasingly formidable playoff teams with this older injury prone roster, no long term solution at QB, refs that hate us, less cap space to make additions than our rivals, and a head coach who has consistently produced an about .250 winning percentage. I don't see it as about wanting to be correct. Whatever the outcome would be there is a correct action to take in hindsight for that outcome, load up if we can really win it all now, or rebuild to have more cap space and draft picks for the future if we really can't. Nobody wants to have to buy new tires on their car but if they just believe that the threadbare tires can go the distance, thats great if they are right, but if they are wrong they might be buying new rims or a new bumper, hood, and radiator or a new face. I can't make myself believe our tires can go the distance even if I might want to. Its not that I am not a true fan of the tires or don't love the tires, its just I see the threads, and I don't want to crash. We have been working toward those threads for years and I don't want to continue to rob future salary caps and draft classes to win now when we are 2-5. I don't want us to be the first team in NFL history to go 0-17, which I think is the type of thing that happens down the road if we say 'damn the future, win now' when we are 2-5.
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390