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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint I’ve been watching this team. I do know what can happen. If by some insane miracle we get to the NFC championship game against Philly in Philly, with the Bills having just won the AFC championship, ...
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Re: Everything Must Go?
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Ok bako, but step back and look at what you just wrote. It seems like you are saying that the Bills will win the AFC and team x will play the Eagles in the NFC championship game and anything else is a Miracle. You could put Tampa, Niners, Packers, etc in place of the Saints in your post and it would be the same. There are many teams in both leagues that can stop the situation you proposed. Seems you are singling out the Saints and deciding the SB contenders after less than half the season. Again, i recognize it’s your right to your opinion and you may be correct. Seems like you want to be correct about it though bako.
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Re: Everything Must Go?
Originally Posted by Boston Saint
I realize the future is uncertain. There are other elite teams in each league and things could change. Maybe we would have to go through Dallas and KC if those teams get hot. At 2-5, I don't think there is a reasonable scenario where we are getting a 1st round bye in the playoffs. I don't think we are winning 4 straight games against increasingly formidable playoff teams with this older injury prone roster, no long term solution at QB, refs that hate us, less cap space to make additions than our rivals, and a head coach who has consistently produced an about .250 winning percentage.![]()
I don't see it as about wanting to be correct. Whatever the outcome would be there is a correct action to take in hindsight for that outcome, load up if we can really win it all now, or rebuild to have more cap space and draft picks for the future if we really can't. Nobody wants to have to buy new tires on their car but if they just believe that the threadbare tires can go the distance, thats great if they are right, but if they are wrong they might be buying new rims or a new bumper, hood, and radiator or a new face. I can't make myself believe our tires can go the distance even if I might want to. Its not that I am not a true fan of the tires or don't love the tires, its just I see the threads, and I don't want to crash. We have been working toward those threads for years and I don't want to continue to rob future salary caps and draft classes to win now when we are 2-5. I don't want us to be the first team in NFL history to go 0-17, which I think is the type of thing that happens down the road if we say 'damn the future, win now' when we are 2-5. |
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Re: Everything Must Go?
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
Another thought. Next draft does Allen sell the farm to move up and draft a qb,
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Loomis and Allen are stupid so I think they probably should be expected to do this. They are the GM and Head Coach equivalents to Antonio Brown in terms of doing predictably stupid bs. We will likely have a high 2nd round pick but no 1st rounder in 2023. In 2024 we have no 2nd rounder. If Loomis trades our 2023 2nd rounder, 2024 1st rounder, and 2025 1st and 2nd rounders, leaving us with no other 1st or 2nd round picks in the 3 year period, he could probably get a pick in the early teens of the first round, and land a young qb with no cap space or draft picks to improve a lousy oline to protect him, and no coaching to develop him. It would figure that they would do that. Maybe they will get picks for Payton but there are no guarantees of that, and Loomis has less patience and self control than Antonio Brown and will not be able to wait on a good Payton deal to make a move. He couldnt wait to see who was available in the draft before trading up this year for a frickin receiver.
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This is where you lose all credibility bako. STUPID BS statements like this. Loomis turned a mediocre at best franchise to a Perennial SB contender for the last almost 20 years. Take away refs and the NFL screwing us and we’ve got at least one more trophies in the case. STUPID GMs don’t pull that off. Sentiments like that show you to be an armchair GM with a personal grudge against Loomis with opinions not based in reality.
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This is so true.
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint
At least when I lose all credibility the Eagles don’t get to be on pace for an undefeated season and a top 5 pick and get a young star defender for a 5th round pick. When Loomis loses all credibility they do.
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The Eagles had a four win season two years ago and and another one 10 years ago. Saints haven’t been that low in about 20 years. In other words they had to do some struggling and get some high draft picks before they got better again. Contrary to your belief, it wasn’t Loomis’ trades that put the Eagles in a good position. You again show your irrationality and unrealistic expectations. New England is struggling now and in a QB controversy. Is their GM crap and Billichik stupid? It’s been a while since Pittsburg was relevant. Guess that means their coach and GM are now garbage too?
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