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Saints needed this kind of performance . It's good to witness no turnovers, way fewer penalties, positive contributions from all players, and last if not least dominating Saints Defense... This is called winning football ! Maybe the Kamara speech was effective after all.

Let's enjoy this and rejoice! :cheers:. :beer:

Who Dat! :bng:

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A Healthy (and intelligent) dose of Taysom, a cool headed and efficient Andy, AK doing what he does best, other key players PLAYING... and a Defense SHOWING UP... And a GOOD WEEK AHEAD for the Fans... Finally. WHODAT!

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The biggest difference between Andy and JW- Andy knows to check it down to the best play maker he has. Winston’s check down is a 50 yard 50/50 ball.

They won today because they played fundamentally sound ball. Limited turnovers, limited penalties equates to wins.

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Comparing the two, Andy just looks more comfortable back there.

Winston plays in a chaotic way, even his drop back looks rushed and panicky.

I think at this stage, unless Dalton has a complete meltdown, he's the QB until the end of the season.

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It’s gonna piss bako off.

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While I don’t necessarily disagree with your assessment, I will say Winston did NOT have the kind of blocking (run or pass) that Dalton had today.

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Absolutely a fair point.

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I didn't see the game ... how in the world did we hold Adams and Renfrow to 2 catches for 9 yards without Lattimore? That was a shock to see, did our DB play step it up that much?

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D overall had a very good game.

Pressure on Carr from the front 4.
He tried to force a crossing route to Renfrow that Werner read beautifully and tipped, which Mathieu then picked off.
Alontae Taylor had a very good game, matching up on Adams.

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Most obvious observation.... Saints don't need the prima donna to win... just the will and determination...and Taysom Hill

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This plus the offense moved and controlled the ball very well. Kept the raiders O sitting on the bench.

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Alvin Kamara.

Not to mention how his pass game production has improved with Andy Dalton under center.

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Loved how Andy was able to step up in the pocket all game. O-Line played very well.

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The biggest difference I see with Dalton instead of Winston is the lack of confusion before the snap. The O line seems to know their assignments as well as the backfield. I don't know if it is a reflection of the QB or if these are improvements being made since the beginning of the season. So it may not be fair to compare Winston and Dalton on this point.

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They might be finally gelling a little bit. They did a lot of things I’ve been beggin for them to do. In honestly think Payton came in and help give them a blueprint.

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You could by right rez. If so, then Godhell will likely find a way to dock the Saints a draft pick and fine them.

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Games like this spell goodbye for the crab thief.

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That made me chuckle.

First game, two quarters. That’s all I needed to see.

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JW had 1 good quarter in the games he started. Maybe 2. The offense stalled constantly and he can’t read the defense. That’s the difference. Yes he can make plays. Yes he has a cannon. But he is indecisive and panicked. He doesn’t go through his reads. He stares down his first read and chucks the ball. Lol.

He made me eat crow in the 4th quarter in the first game. Everything after was kind of crabby. Lol.

Dalton is fine. At least he scores points and takes what the defense gives him.

Of course this was a 2-5 Raiders team. So I’m not overly optimistic yet. But I still feel like he’s just a better QB.

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SP has to earn his game check he's still receiving, neaux? :bng:

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That’s the rub. If he really did talk to the team, would that not follow under coaching? He’s under contract. Good ol Rogdge will find something wrong there.

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This is the complete game I've been waiting for!

Andy Dalton finished with a 117 QBR.

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-Can't guard Olave.
-Dalton is playing as well as he ever did.
-Peat on the field is a difference maker.
- Taylor is the real deal. Talented with EFFORT.
-Rasheed continues to make plays.
-Davenport, Onyemata and Turner sighting.
-No Turnovers.
-Hill making plays.
-Refs didn't have their hands on the scale.
-Raiders are bad.

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Not wanting to rain on the parade but this requires tempering… Context : Raiders are about 25th in pass defense, tied for 32nd in sacks, and giving up the same average number of points as we are. Winston had the same kind of blocking just didn’t play against the Raiders.

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All of the above! although I'll say that it was less AK's speech and more of GIVING HIM THE DAMN BALL that proved most effective! Enjoying a dominating win! :bng:

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Agree the Saints beat a team they should beat. But they haven't done that this season so I'm encouraged.

Don't want to get too excited but starters returning from injury at the right time...

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My Post Mortem Monday Review:

The Downers (and I’m really nitpicking here)
- Lutz is still off a bit. Not sure if he’s fully recovered or if he needs to get into a groove. Missing chip shots used to never happen with him. Now, not so much.
- “Starters” are still on the sidelines. Problematic getting into the meat of the season. Side note: Washington is no Ingram. Get well soon Big Guy!
- ….I literally have nothing else!

The Uppers (and for once I had to trim down this list)
- Olave continues to be a shining star and is very much in the running for ROY.
- Werner is like horse $h!t on a farm! He’s all over the place! 11 tackles and 7 solos!
- Dline was spectacular! Turner, Big O, and Davenport! Serve up more please!!!
- Taylor. The fact that they put him on Adams and held him to ONE reception for THREE yards cannot be understated! I’ll go out on a limb and say this is shaping up to be one of the BEST DB corps in the league (when healthy)!
- Turnovers. Finally on the plus side of that equation. We got one and didn’t give one up!
- Oline pass protection and run blocking was rock solid. Second straight game where Dalton was not sacked! AWESOME!
- Dalton played mistake free football. Got rid of the ball quickly. Hit his read progressions without hesitation. Ball control was flawless.
- Coaching. Not sure what changed this week, but good creative play calling, use of their top weapons (AK41 and Olave), taking care of the ball and eliminating bone headed penalties was obviously a priority this week!

And last but not least… This squad pitched a friggin’ SHUT OUT!!!! I can’t remember the last time I saw that!

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Wholeheartedly agree that a win is a win and we are in desperate need of a couple before reparations to fans enter the discussion lol. I’m just not ready to have hope for 3rd in our division this season.

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Deonte' Harty's replacement in 2023 ? …

Shahid continues to make plays, even with limited opportunities.

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Harty is gone. Shaheed is superior. Bigger. Faster. Better receiver.

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Agree with your takes, but I’m gonna comment on this one here leilung. Dalton looked very good. But there’s one thing we are overlooking. If the field was about 4 inches wider he would have thrown a bad pick. He made a terrible throw the was intercepted but the DBs foot was just touching the line. It was at a time when the game was close and we went on to score on the drive I’m pretty sure. When it first happened I threw the TV remote into the sofa! It was the kind of play that frequently sucks emotion out of a team and turns things around. Fortunately it didn’t count and Dalton made no more dumb throws. Just a thought while we are celebrating over his awesomeness.

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Dalton can manage a game to a tee, short, mid, and a little deep ball, he has it all. As long as the line gives him time he'll be fine, he's not a speed demon but can scramble if he has to and has better than average pocket presents. As long as PC can dial things up Dalton should be fine. Better D's with a top tier pass rush is the only problem I see

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I’d like to point out an important thing(s) you mentions here Cruize. Three Players (Taylor, Olave, Rasheed) are rookies. We haven’t even seen Penning yet. Now, when you throw in Werner and Adebo that’s some pretty good young talent. Consider big money guys like Ram, Kamara and Latt are producing when on the field. If Thomas can ever get back on the field (queuing up map on that one) that’s a pretty good core moving into the future.
I know it’s the Raiders and it’s one game, but I guess I’m optimistic. Maybe not for this season exactly, but I certainly don’t think we are in the blow it up and rebuild stage (now que up bako). Keep in mind that if Lutz makes a FG here or if Kamara/Ingram had one fewer fumble there or if the damn refs call a fair game this team could be 5-3 or 6-2 easily.

I also realize the Ravens are a tough team to take on next week. Could be singing a different tune.

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Not nitpicking your post but we're fine without Thomas, really have been. The guy has barely seen the field in 2 years and these young wr's are getting into rhythm ,as far as Ingram I would bring in another back right now and only use Ingram on tough yds. depending on the situation only.

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True he’s not been necessary. I brought him mainly up cause I think he’s gonna be on the team for a while with that contract. Hopefully we can get some mileage out of him. He looked pretty good in that first game against Atl.

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I think that's something we're going to have to come to expect. Dalton has routinely been a double digit interception guy his entire career. It's not being talked about because of Jabo throwing 30 in one season, but Dalton has never been a guy that doesn't throw the ball to the other team. He just fits better in the offensive scheme the Saints want to run. This is a West Coast offense with some shot plays designed in there. Jabo is an Air Raid kind of guy. Dalton had a season in 2015 where he threw 25 TD's and a career low 7 INT's. Hopefully we get that version.

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Unfortunately his bad version is still better than Jameis Winston.

It's been encouraging to see us put up points with a skeleton crew at wide receiver.

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I'd say it's a higher floor, lower ceiling situation. Winston's ceiling is the heavens. Winston's floor is the fiery pits of hell. He can fall anywhere from 60 to 99 on the Madden scale any given day. Dalton is more like a 65 to a 90...most days playing like a 75 or an 80. Winston plays like a 63 then turns around plays like a ****ing HOF 99 with enhanced abilities. **** is unpredictable.

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IDK why rez, but your Madden analogy made my chuckle. Right on the nose though.