Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Number of years is moot and you are still missing the problem in most scenarios. I’ll make it a simple question so you don’t have to suffer the mental gymnastics of accuracy or relevance.

Why does Sean Payton want to go to a team that just gave their picks to the Saints?

Your scenario was New Orleans getting 2 first round picks. You have lost your mind in these forums over Loomis giving up first round picks and you think Sean Payton is going to agree to go to a team that just gave two years worth of first rounders away.

You your self said we wouldn’t be able to attract talent because we traded away draft picks.


This is a Kobayashi Maru.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Exactly. Unless Payton and his new team wait until after 2024, which I think is what will happen.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

I have never said we must hold out for two first round picks. I hope we get two first round picks and I think it is possible we will, but if we get one first round pick, I will live with it. Maybe even a package of a second rounder and additional picks. What I would not do is pull a CGJ and trade Payton for a late 3rd rounder or whatever ‘because its better than nothing.’ At that point I would call their bluff because two years is a long time to wait. The last team to trade two first rounders for a coach won the super bowl though, so I think that could still happen.

I don’t think Payton would want to go to a rebuilding team that just gave up its only 1st round picks for 2023 and 2024 and has a busted salary cap like us. But I also dont think he would rather wait 2 more years than go to a team that gave up anything. Some teams have extra picks from previous trades. Some teams have a loaded win now roster and could just need a coach. Matt Stafford went to a team that gave up all its picks and didnt care about the future too much because he got a quick ring. Plenty of college coaches go to teams that pay their buyout which means less money to upgrade facilities etc. Gruden went to Tampa and got a ring without picks. Also if Payton waits 2 years he can go to a team with more picks but thats not the only variable that changes. In 2 years that teams QB is 2 years older, maybe gets injured, maybe loses his take for running and loses a dimension of his play, maybe gets a new contract and leaves much less money in the cap for other talent. Is it better to go to San Diego now and deal with less draft picks or to go in 2 years and deal with two key starters being lost in free agency because Hebert got a record deal that cramped the salary cap? Also in 2 years Payton is 2 years older. The older you get the harder it is to spend late nights in the tape room and start from scratch with a new team and offense.

Also I am not sure how much Payton values draft picks. Under his tenure we traded a lot away and also drafted raw long term prospects in what should have been win now years. He might value a team with lots of cap space to add veterans. Remember he was supposedly going to go to Miami who was going to trade draft picks for Brady. That does not sound like a long term build through the draft model. The Dolphins who maybe he liked in terms of owner and GM had lots of cap space and have proceeded to show that much of their style is being willing to unload draft picks for veterans.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Thank you, Oak. I have pointed this exact same conundrum several times. Why would he want to go to any desperate team that has traded away multiple high picks? He'd be better served to continue to collect the $10 million per year with the broadcasting gig and have the pick of the jobs later.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Just don't anybody to be surprised if he goes to San Diego.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Sean Payton update

I still believe it will be the Bolts (Chargers).

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Agreed. And as for the draft picks, they don't have to all be in the next draft. They could be spread out.

And I don't understand people saying teams should just wait. Why? What do you do for a coach in the meantime? Hire a guy you know you are going to fire in two years? And what if you don't get Payton? Too much uncertainty to wait for his contract to be up. You have to make the move.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

AZ or LAC have solid rosters. Poor HCs. But seemingly all the things SP may covet. Good for him.

Now pay us.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Perfect .gif 😂😂

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

very well could be the bolts, they have a very good qb in place and need just a few more pieces to complete their puzzle

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

So how likely is it that we get any picks for him and when does his contract end?

To me, wouldn't a team just wait until the contract is up, rather than give up a ton of draft picks for a coach who made 1 superbowl in 15 years?

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

As Ross Jackson eluded to earlier in his video...

"The more teams interested in SP, the merrier".

Let the bidding war begin!

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

1 Super Bowl with the New Orleans Saints. A destitute franchise that had one playoff win prior. Gotta keep that in mind.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

An article, I believe on PFT, indicated that whether or not coaching contracts toll when the coach sits out or whether rights are held indefinitely like a player is a legal question that has not been tested. So a team could wait until 2025 to sign Payton and instead of giving up picks they get sued by the Saints and maybe have their head coach sitting out with an injunction. If a team that has some extra picks or extra depth at some positions wants Payton its certainly simpler to make a decent roster offer than to wait until 2025 and get sued.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Coach is already living in SoCal … lived there for 8 years love the weather, ocean desert loved it all … except 13% income tax and property tax.

Don’t think Denver will be the choice, it been said he wants warm climate. He is currently 25 minutes from SoFi right now.

Would choose Russell Wilson on his downhill run, or Justin Herbert your QB for the next 12-15 years. Don’t think Coach wants reclamation project jumping back into it.

Just saying …

Thinking the coach is gone in LA regardless if the make the playoff or not.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

How did Bill Parcells retire from the Giants, Patriots, Jets and Cowboys? He had one year left on his contracts with the Giants, Patriots and Cowboys. Can't find any information on his Jets contract.

In fact After Parcells’s Giants won the Super Bowl in 1991, he retired and then signed with NBC Sports to serve as an analyst for its football broadcasts. (Sound Familiar?) In 1993 he became head coach of a New England Patriots

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

The Jets compensated the Patriots for Parcells with draft picks. Then with the Jets Parcells stayed on as GM for one year after resigning as coach so that likely tolled and altered his contract as the Cowboys did not hire him as a GM which was his last job with the Jets. I don’t know the circumstances around him leaving the Giants, that was pre world wide web.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

I agree about a team having extra picks like two 1st rounders and multiple picks afterward. It happens all the time. I"m hoping we get another HC and those picks we get for Payton go to a new HC so there not wasted. We're gonna have to find a franchise qb and those picks for Payton could go a long way by a good HC but if Allen is still here might have give Payton away.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

We need a way to get back into the first round and select a QB because injuries and QB play are holding this team back. Payton could give us back one last gift. I have a lot of respect for the way Andy Dalton is playing right now, but it's not good enough and we'll have multiple mediocre seasons in a row with him as the QB if we were healthy.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

He’s a FA after this season. Dalton isn’t the plan to lead them forward. I’m rooting for them to sign Minshew and draft Hooker as he could slip to the second round with his injury.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

and sustained success of said franchise.

revamped culture. desirable destination.

And a handful of plays from reaching 2 more Superbowls.

Plus overall value of franchise increased tremendously.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Also developed a few Hall of Fame players

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

All very valid points, but again, would that team be willing to part with that hefty a sum for 1 guy?

I'm not naysaying, I'd love if they did, but I doubt any team would sign him if it meant paying us that amount.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Oh I see your point and kinda worry/think it could work out that the Saints get little or nothing because the ball is ultimately in Payton's court. I was just piling praise on Payton.

I was chatting with my dad the other day and he posed a question. If you are running the Saints and Payton contacts you and says I want to coach again, what do you do? Do you ask if he wants to return to NO? If he says no, do you ask him why not? What id he says he will only go to a certain team and tells you he and that team are willing to wait two years until he is a "FA" coach? What would you do? It brings up a lot of questions.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

How many times have we given up two first round picks for a single player? How many times have we given up three picks for a single player? I think that somebody like Sean Payton is well worth the first round and a second or three second round draft picks. All of those could go towards helping us get a quarterback next year.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

I sincerely hope some team does jump and pays that price, I really do. I would love to find a franchise QB for the next 12-15 years in this draft.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Yeah agreed, I think recently we've lost far too much talent and got nothing in return, because it happened during free agency rather than trade.

Marcus Williams, Trey Hendrickson, Vonn Bell all come to mind.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

I think the Houston Texans are a sleeper team for Payton. They'll have two high first round picks to work with, including probably the #1 for Bryce Young, a new diamond-in-the-rough RB, and cap space to retool the roster. Payton might like building a culture and facing a big challenge, like he first did with New Orleans post-Katrina.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

I can't wait for the Peyton sweepstakes! May the highest bidder win.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

I wish we were.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Denver has no draft choices to give up:

Seattle got QB Drew Lock, TE Noah Fant, DL Shelby Harris, two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a fifth-round pick.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Denver got Miami’s 1st rounder in the Bradley Chubb trade.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

You think Sean Payton wants to coach Russell Wilson who has 8TDs and 5INTs going into in week 12? Dude, your sh1t is cooked.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

And they'll need it to draft another QB

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Russ has been surprisingly bad in 2022.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

SP is going somewhere, most of us think in 2023. We'll just have to wait and see where and for how much. It should be a haul in its own way. Methinks an equivalent of 3 number ones... meaning some players and draft picks combo, in all likelihood.

However, you gotta give Pete Carroll credit for knowing/feeling when to offload an aging QB. SP didn't have the same wherewithal evidently. Can you imagine what kind haul Brees would have netted the Saints? Could the Saints have upped an offer to move up one spot to get Mahomes? Were they even contacted? SP rode the stud horse named Drew Brees until he could not anymore... and then got the hell outta of the Saints. You can sorta say he tried to find a successor over the years with the ever so crazy reaches at QB. Yes, finding a worthy replacement at QB is easier said than done, obviously. It still doesn't take away from having the balls to trade a player before he's completely expired for value, like Coach Pete did. It is a team game after all, right? Being friends with a player clouds judgement, the kind of judgement that advances teams positively.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

rather take Bryce Young from Bama. Hooker is not an NFL caliber QB.

Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job
 

Don't you think he will go early