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The trade by Denver today was nothing more than getting a first for next year to use as bait to get SP to Denver. With Dallas performing so well Under McCarthy this year I would suspect that Denver and The Chargers would be the most likely candidates for his services. Both have franchise qb’s for SP and he would be in the AFC and away from the NFC. New ownership in Denver wants there own guy and what a better way to make a splash with one of the most successful coaches available. Give me your 2023 and 2024 first rounds and we have a deal.

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Wilson is not the Wilson of old.

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They could make a play but the Denver situation is questionable with Wilson maybe being washed and costing a fortune for years.

I think that other teams could look for a new head coach too. There is still half a season to play.

What if the Bills struggle a bit down the stretch and Choke in the playoffs? They have had the same coach since 2017 and they keep getting 'almost there.' An early flop in the playoffs could tempt management to change out the coach to a proven Super Bowl winner while they still have the players to win.

What about Cincy? They got to the Super Bowl last year but lost. Their coach was inexperienced. If they regress this year and have a losing record, you never know.

In KC, Andy Reid is not a young man nor a Peoples Health Champion. Maybe he decides to retire or has a medical issue and KC would rather pursue a proven offensive wizard than follow the Todd Bowles model of handing the keys to the Ferrari to some unproven assistant who waited his turn.

Pete Carrol is not a spring chicken either. If he were to retire, Seattle might feel a proven commodity would do better following in his footsteps than an unproven one.

Same for Bill Belichick. At some point he is going to retire. Brady will probably retire and Bill is struggling this year. A proven commodity would find it easier to follow in his footsteps and there is no clear heir apparent in New England. Bill might take some senior management role with the team and might suggest Sean as a successor.

Houston is not winning football games and has a lot of draft picks to select a franchise QB I believe.

Indianapolis job could be open. They have more picks than Denver probably and less cap hell. Not a great job, but maybe Ryan is no more washed than Wilson, and either would have to rebuild.

Panthers would be a trade option for me. Rich owner. I don't care if he goes in our division if we get 2 1st round picks. No coach in the history of NFL football has ever won a superbowl with 1 team and gone on to win against with another. Lombardi didn't. Ditka sure didnt. Parcells didnt. Gruden didnt. Holmgren didnt. I would not rule out trading Payton within the division out of fear of something that has never happened before. The goal is Super Bowls not division only, you have to beat everyone to win a Superbowl, so only the team that does win really stopped you if you dont, and like I said thats never happened for one coach with two teams.

Dallas could still be in play if they choke in the 1st round of the playoffs. Jerry Jones ain't young. He ain't patient. Winning in the regular season is great but so what.

Sean McVay could pull a Barry Sanders and retire, there has been talk that he does not want to coach forever, and Los Angeles could say F them zeros and F them picks and write Payton a big check. Not sure if they have any picks to F though.

Aaron Rodgers could get in argument with with Matt LeFleur about something and demand a new coach or he retires, or drive LeFleur to ask for his release. The Packers are losing. Rodgers is a head case. He could decide he want Sean and visa versa. There is talk of Rodgers possible retiring so a power play would be the next best thing.

Arizona's coach is on thin ice and they have a talented short athletic qb who is not being used efficiently.

Detroit is losing and could have the #1 overall pick for a franchise QB. They are loaded at WR and RB to set up said franchise QB for success. They have a Payton protégé failing as head coach. Might be time to spring for the real thing.

It just depends how all these teams finish the season and which Sean will consider and which will write the check and trade the picks. Or maybe Sean will decide he likes being retired or wants to do more broadcasting, or that he will only go to the Chargers who are only offering a 2nd round pick and we have to call their bluff or fold.

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I like your style, but Sean Payton will be the coach of the Carolina Panthers! They will sell their souls to get him! After trading McCaffery for all those picks! We will need a top 3 pick next year to get a franchise QB and if the draft were held today the Lions would draft first, followed by the Texans, then the Panthers! All need QB’s! It just makes sense for the organization and Payton! Payton knows our coaches, front office and most of the players! He could beat us for 2 or 3 years until we figured him out!

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It's hard to say right now. Denver does have the deepest pockets with the WalMart owners. But there's going to be a lot of teams simping for CSP.

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Chargers.

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Chargers would definitely be a better situation with Herbert, no question. But regardless of what happens in Denver from here out I think there Coach is gone and ownership wants to bring in there own guy. SP is a franchise maker

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Payton isn’t going to coach in a cold weather city.

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Why wouldn’t he? Owners with money who will stay out of his way, proven qb, great fan base, great city. He’s played and coached in cold weather

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Because he doesn’t need to. He’s enjoying the studio life and getting paid well. He’s got the new wife. He flirted with Miami because nits nice and warm. Just my thought of course but when he’s got the options to go where he wants, why would he go to a cold weather spot? If you had millions and you were given the choice to live in San Diego or Arizona vs Green Bay or Buffalo why would you choose the cold? I live here in Mass cold weather. It sucks. His wife won’t want to move into the cold.

Just my opinion of course.

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Lol. I live in Dallas and the cold sucks. I still think The chargers are a real possibility but Denver may jump in quicker. I just don’t think Mickey ships him to an NFC team. Either way I hope he goes somewhere cause we need picks.

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As long as we get a king's ransom for him, he can get traded to Timbuktu for all I care.

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No to Timbuk3!: The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades!!!!
I Want My.......I Want My......I Want My MTV!!!

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That was Money for Nothing by Dire Straits! Mark Knopfler is one of the best guitarists. I love his style.

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This is a myth. While it does get cold here, sometimes in the teens, it's nothing like NOLA. 10 degrees here is like 40 in NOLA. You have 300 days of sunshine, so on a January day, you can have temperatures and the climate of all 4 seasons. When it snows in Denver, it's gone within 48 hrs. The weather here is the best in the US. All the sunshine you want and no humidity.

As far as Payton going to the Broncos.......I can't see it based on their draft capital. They got a 1st yesterday that will probably be a bottom 5 pick. There has been talk about him coming here for a couple of weeks on local sports talk, but these guys out here on the radio are idiots. It's comedy gold listening to them. They actually think they can get Payton for a random 2nd rounder. The Broncos have been predicted to be at least a 9 win team every year for the past 5 years I've been here. I was listening yesterday, and 1 personality had them at 7-1 right now. Loyal but absolutely terrible fan base.

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Fair enough. Wasn’t trying to bag on Denver. But you gotta admit, San Diego and Arizona are warmer than Denver…yes?

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If Gruden got two number one's back in the day, there's no reason why we should not get three number ones for SP. He's better in every way, albeit stubborn in some of his decision making. If that team has players that are also worthy, that may play a role on the valuation of the trade. Maybe an all pro G and two number ones, or something. :bng:

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I really hope you are right Smash. I just have this sinking feeling that Payton is getting paid enough and he likes and is good at being an analyst that he isn’t ready to jump into just any job. If he says, hey I’ll only go to this X team and team X knows that, then we don’t have much power. It’s like Payton has a built in no trade clause.

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I never took it that way Boston. You’re good. It’s just a myth that Denver is a cold city. Now it’s cold as hell in the mountains, but Denver has immaculate weather. But yes, San Diego would be better. Phoenix? No. I have friends who live there. 110+ weather with humidity. Denver is MUCH better.

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Yeah, I guess if you have the money Payton does, both Denver and Phoenix would be acceptable!

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Good luck with that boss :bng:

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SP has frequented The Herd with Colin Cowherd a few times as of late..
It could be serving as a precursor of what's to come.

An extra way for the west to get acclimated to him early on...

Chargers could be the landing spot..
Didn't he mention that that would be a place he'd entertain to serve as head coach?

Or maybe it's Denver lol

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Has Sean specifically said he doesn’t wanna coach the Saints again? I’m trying to figure out why people are predicting where he goes. I know he said he might return for the right situation, but he says a lot of sh!t. Am I missing something?

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It’s a valid question I suppose. I guess it’s just kind of feels like living with your ex wife.

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If I was a betting man, my money would be on the Chargers. Large market, stud young QB. Decent overall team. He bought a house on the West Coast.

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I hope he goes to LA. I for one want to see SP continue to succeed and the Chargers have all the elements

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A few considerations..

First off, Sean is not looking for a paycheck he is looking for a good fit which narrows the field down considerably. A good fit with the ownership and GM, not the players. He has stated this publicly.

That means the possibilities are already decided in Sean's head.

If you were GM and knowingly on that short list, why would you give anything up next year when he is free the following? Sean is not a player and Loomis cant just trade him away because the offer is right, he can trade the option but Sean can still remain retired and have a say the next year.

I do not want to hurt anyone's feelings but some people need to remember that he is not a player, he is a coach and if I were him and you trade away draft picks to get me, I am not going to you. You just traded away my ability to start building.:bng:

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I can't see him in Denver. Chargers perhaps. Bears maybe.

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Well, what do you do for that year before he is available? Hire some guy just to fire him when Payton is available? Continue on with the coach you want to replace knowing it won't get any better?

And then if you do wait there will be a few more openings a year later and more competition.

I think if he is the guy you want you have to go get him.

Just my thoughts though and NFL GMs have never seemed real interested in them.

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Yep. There's no reason that team shouldn't have been in the playoffs the past couple of years. Coaching has been atrocious. They'll probably end up missing again this year even though they should be a wild card with KC being tops in the division.

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Indeed. I made this point months ago. When some users were saying things like “I’d never send him to Dallas” or “I’d hold out for a ransom”. Saints only have his rights through 2024. A smart team will wait and give us nothing. Especially since the ball is in Sean’s court.

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He is not a player, that is a different animal. A player can be traded as an agreement between two teams. This is a coach.

So your conundrum is how do you get the Saints to let you sign him without having to give up what he needs to be able to build? Sounds like you aren’t building for another year anyway. Then you have to figure out how to do all that and still comply with Rooney and get the league to buy your story.

Or you could…
- Promote your DC to HC.
- Call Joe Vitt.

It’s also worth noting that players don’t like to sit out a season and miss checks, Sean Payton can sit out and get a network check :)

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I disagree. NFL teams are worth $5 billion now. I am not an accountant but my rough understanding of net present value and cash flow is that if something is worth $5 billion, probably the next 7 or so years of it are at least half that value due to the time value of money, and the next 1 year is probably about 10%. So the privilege of owning and NFL team for the 2023 season is worth maybe $500 million based on what people are willing to pay to own one indefinitely. Just like you if you leased a new car you might pay 10% of its value to lease it for a year or something. So I disagree with the idea that an owner would wait a year to sign Sean Payton, if they really wanted him, to save a couple draft picks. If they have a coach they don't have faith in, throwing away another year with that coach is very costly in terms of the time value of money. Also they run many risks. The coach they lack faith in may have a lucky year that makes him hard to fire. There may be a scandal or controversy that makes him hard to fire. Sean may take a liking to broadcasting with an extra year. Another team may seize the moment and change Seans mind and make him an offer he can't refuse. Or they may have to fire the existing coach and then a new coach or new mid year interim coach catches fire and they can't let him go without his joining a lawsuit or something. Just like this year McCarthy may be doing too well to fire. We don't know what happens next year. Maybe Andy Reid retires and sure Sean Payton loved the situation in San Diego but suddenly he is offered Maholmes and sees that as more of a sure thing to cement his legacy as the first coach to win a ring with two teams. Maybe Hebert chokes in the playoffs or gets hurt. If a team wants Sean, there is much more value and certainty for them to get him now than to wait 2 years and get him in 2025 because thats a long long long time and that owner may die of a stroke or see Payton coaching the Patriots before its 2025. You don't become a billionaire so you can still patiently wait to pursue expensive hobbies when you are already in your 60's or whatever. Whatever picks they trade for Payton will be gone in 2025 anyway. Payton can say thats the only team he will play for and they can only offer chump change but if we threaten to make them wait 2 years any team will fold because waiting 2 years is untenable.

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You missed the part about Sean Payton having the control. The situation would have to be ideal to pull him out of the money he is making sound studio work now. These owners aren’t concerned about the money for 1 year. Not only would an owner have to ask themselves if they want Payton minus key draft picks now or Payton with those draft picks in a year.

Likewise PAYTON has to decide if he wants to leave the low stress work he’s doing now to go to a team with diminished draft capital or wait a year then go with they have full draft capabilities.

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Its 2 years not one year. If you are some 70 year old owner and the question is do you want a winning coach now or in 2 years, you probably want one now. If Payton prefers broadcasting that ball is 100% in his corner but if he wants to coach in 2023 or 2024 that ball is in our corner and a $5 billion owner is going to have to fork over the picks if they dont want to watch Nathaniel Hackett or Josh McDaniels or whoever coach for 2 more years, maybe the last 2 years they can still get it up with their trophy wife or whatevs.

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Yes, I was the one that mentioned 2024 earlier in this thread. I’m aware when it is. My point was meaning waiting an extra year after the upcoming off season. Again, it’s not up to some arbitrary “70 year” old owner as much as it is to Sean Payton. Sean Payton could say it’s not worth going to a team that has limited itself via draft picks (like you always ***** about). Time will tell

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My understanding is its not an extra year after the upcoming offseason they would have to wait, its an extra two years after the upcoming offseason. My understanding is we control Sean Payton through the 2024 season which actually ends in early 2025 so if teams bide their time and dont trade for him this 2022-2023 offseason they cant sign him free in the following 2023-2024 offseason because we still own his rights for the 2024 season so he only becomes a free agent in about March 2025 which is 2.5 years from now. Thats a long time to wait. If I am wrong let me know. I take ‘through the 2024 season’ to mean he becomes a free agent at the end of that season in March 2025, or at least whenever or 2024 season ends in early 2025.

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After this (2022) season, Payton is under contract for 2 more seasons. That means there is the 2023 off season (roughly Mid Feb through July 2023) and 2024 off season (Feb thru July 2024) that the Saints have the ability to trade him.

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Your understanding of depreciation is incorrect. For NFL teams, like homes, most appreciate each year.

If you lease a car for a year you pay the depreciation, roughly 20% as soon as you drive it off the lot and for the first year and 15% each year after that for up to 5 years for a total depreciation of roughly 40% over a 5 year period.

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I know cars depreciate and houses and teams generally dont. I was typing without striving for perfect analogies. Maybe a team is more like a house or a restaurant or a club. But the point is its a very expensive thing to buy, most owners spend most of their life accumulating enough wealth to buy a team. On e they have a team, if they feel the coach is mediocre and the coach they feel can win is available, i dont think they waste 2 years and all their $400 million or whatever of player salary those 2 years accepting losses to save a couple draft picks on acquiring that coach and risk losing him while waiting. Just like teams trade draft picks for players rather than waiting for those players to become free agents, be franchised twice, and then be totally free with no compensation or franchise. Just like colleges often pay buyouts rather than waiting for the coach they want to be free. I dont think anyone is waiting until 2025 to sign Payton. If they want him I think they will come to the bargaining table and I think not waiting 2 years is worth a lot. I am not sure I would want Payton back if the price was 2.5 more years of Dennis Allen first.