Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

SP is going somewhere, most of us think in 2023. We'll just have to wait and see where and for how much. It should be a haul in its own way. Methinks an equivalent of 3 number ones... meaning some players and draft picks combo, in all likelihood.

However, you gotta give Pete Carroll credit for knowing/feeling when to offload an aging QB. SP didn't have the same wherewithal evidently. Can you imagine what kind haul Brees would have netted the Saints? Could the Saints have upped an offer to move up one spot to get Mahomes? Were they even contacted? SP rode the stud horse named Drew Brees until he could not anymore... and then got the hell outta of the Saints. You can sorta say he tried to find a successor over the years with the ever so crazy reaches at QB. Yes, finding a worthy replacement at QB is easier said than done, obviously. It still doesn't take away from having the balls to trade a player before he's completely expired for value, like Coach Pete did. It is a team game after all, right? Being friends with a player clouds judgement, the kind of judgement that advances teams positively.

I so hope you are right. I just feel "Saint's Luck" will kick in and we get nothing (or even worse lose a pick for tampering with Gotohell running things).

saintsfan1976 · 11-29-2022, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by llaguardia81

rather take Bryce Young from Bama. Hooker is not an NFL caliber QB.

I'm interested to hear why, exactly you think he's not NFL caliber

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

SP is going somewhere, most of us think in 2023. We'll just have to wait and see where and for how much. It should be a haul in its own way. Methinks an equivalent of 3 number ones... meaning some players and draft picks combo, in all likelihood.

However, you gotta give Pete Carroll credit for knowing/feeling when to offload an aging QB. SP didn't have the same wherewithal evidently. Can you imagine what kind haul Brees would have netted the Saints? Could the Saints have upped an offer to move up one spot to get Mahomes? Were they even contacted? SP rode the stud horse named Drew Brees until he could not anymore... and then got the hell outta of the Saints. You can sorta say he tried to find a successor over the years with the ever so crazy reaches at QB. Yes, finding a worthy replacement at QB is easier said than done, obviously. It still doesn't take away from having the balls to trade a player before he's completely expired for value, like Coach Pete did. It is a team game after all, right? Being friends with a player clouds judgement, the kind of judgement that advances teams positively.

I can't see Payton wanting to go somewhere that has given up so much capital. Don't forget, the decision where to go, if anywhere, is totally in Payton's hands. Money won't be a factor, either, since he's making as much as the top paid coaches already with his broadcasting contract.

For example, you can have three teams willing to pony up three first rounders and one other only willing to give a single second rounder for his services. If Payton sees the last one as the only landing spot he'd consider, the Saints must decide to simply take the second rounder or refuse to release him altogether. They really have very little leverage at all.

K Major · 11-29-2022, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'm interested to hear why, exactly you think he's not NFL caliber

I have him dropping to round 4 with the recent injury.

My sleeper QB in the 2023 draft is TCU’s Max Duggan.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I have him dropping to round 4 with the recent injury.

My sleeper QB in the 2023 draft is TCU’s Max Duggan.

If past experience proves true then no more than two or three of the entire QB crop will become serviceable starting QB's in the NFL. With some luck they might have the career of a Andy Dalton. Then again, they could be another Matt Ryan. Or Ryan Leaf. Or Tom Brady.

Rugby Saint II · 11-30-2022, 01:10 PM

Then again, they could be another Skid Britches. Or Ryan Leaf. Or Tom Brady.

FIFY

K Major · 12-13-2022, 06:57 PM

K Major · 12-16-2022, 11:50 AM

Sean Payton Addresses lastest rumors

Sean Payton Addresses lastest rumors

AsylumGuido · 12-16-2022, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Sean Payton Addresses lastest rumors

This ^^^

Many people are making the assumption that QB would be a driving force in Payton's decision for his next coaching location. He shoots that down completely here and says that the most important factor is having a good working relationship with the front office. That is already in place in New Orleans. I've also heard some wonder why Payton would want to return to the Saints with them having no 1st rounder in 2023. Well, anywhere else he goes is likely not to have one either and will likely have to give up even more just to get his rights.

I'm not saying I absolutely expect Payton to return, but it isn't quite the pipedream that some claim it to be either.

Boston Saint · 12-16-2022, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This ^^^

Many people are making the assumption that QB would be a driving force in Payton's decision for his next coaching location. He shoots that down completely here and says that the most important factor is having a good working relationship with the front office. That is already in place in New Orleans. I've also heard some wonder why Payton would want to return to the Saints with them having no 1st rounder in 2023. Well, anywhere else he goes is likely not to have one either and will likely have to give up even more just to get his rights.

I'm not saying I absolutely expect Payton to return, but it isn't quite the pipedream that some claim it to be either.

LOTS of assumptions are being made on this site.

11-29-2022, 01:48 PM	#81
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,868	Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job Originally Posted by SmashMouth SP is going somewhere, most of us think in 2023. We'll just have to wait and see where and for how much. It should be a haul in its own way. Methinks an equivalent of 3 number ones... meaning some players and draft picks combo, in all likelihood. However, you gotta give Pete Carroll credit for knowing/feeling when to offload an aging QB. SP didn't have the same wherewithal evidently. Can you imagine what kind haul Brees would have netted the Saints? Could the Saints have upped an offer to move up one spot to get Mahomes? Were they even contacted? SP rode the stud horse named Drew Brees until he could not anymore... and then got the hell outta of the Saints. You can sorta say he tried to find a successor over the years with the ever so crazy reaches at QB. Yes, finding a worthy replacement at QB is easier said than done, obviously. It still doesn't take away from having the balls to trade a player before he's completely expired for value, like Coach Pete did. It is a team game after all, right? Being friends with a player clouds judgement, the kind of judgement that advances teams positively. I so hope you are right. I just feel "Saint's Luck" will kick in and we get nothing (or even worse lose a pick for tampering with Gotohell running things). Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-29-2022, 03:29 PM	#82
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,528 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job Originally Posted by llaguardia81 rather take Bryce Young from Bama. Hooker is not an NFL caliber QB. I'm interested to hear why, exactly you think he's not NFL caliber

11-29-2022, 03:33 PM	#83
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,386	Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job Originally Posted by SmashMouth SP is going somewhere, most of us think in 2023. We'll just have to wait and see where and for how much. It should be a haul in its own way. Methinks an equivalent of 3 number ones... meaning some players and draft picks combo, in all likelihood. However, you gotta give Pete Carroll credit for knowing/feeling when to offload an aging QB. SP didn't have the same wherewithal evidently. Can you imagine what kind haul Brees would have netted the Saints? Could the Saints have upped an offer to move up one spot to get Mahomes? Were they even contacted? SP rode the stud horse named Drew Brees until he could not anymore... and then got the hell outta of the Saints. You can sorta say he tried to find a successor over the years with the ever so crazy reaches at QB. Yes, finding a worthy replacement at QB is easier said than done, obviously. It still doesn't take away from having the balls to trade a player before he's completely expired for value, like Coach Pete did. It is a team game after all, right? Being friends with a player clouds judgement, the kind of judgement that advances teams positively. I can't see Payton wanting to go somewhere that has given up so much capital. Don't forget, the decision where to go, if anywhere, is totally in Payton's hands. Money won't be a factor, either, since he's making as much as the top paid coaches already with his broadcasting contract. For example, you can have three teams willing to pony up three first rounders and one other only willing to give a single second rounder for his services. If Payton sees the last one as the only landing spot he'd consider, the Saints must decide to simply take the second rounder or refuse to release him altogether. They really have very little leverage at all.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

11-29-2022, 05:41 PM	#84
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,013 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'm interested to hear why, exactly you think he's not NFL caliber I have him dropping to round 4 with the recent injury. My sleeper QB in the 2023 draft is TCU’s Max Duggan.

11-29-2022, 05:51 PM	#85
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,386	Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job Originally Posted by K Major I have him dropping to round 4 with the recent injury. My sleeper QB in the 2023 draft is TCU’s Max Duggan. If past experience proves true then no more than two or three of the entire QB crop will become serviceable starting QB's in the NFL. With some luck they might have the career of a Andy Dalton. Then again, they could be another Matt Ryan. Or Ryan Leaf. Or Tom Brady.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,386	Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job Originally Posted by K Major Sean Payton Addresses lastest rumors This ^^^ Many people are making the assumption that QB would be a driving force in Payton's decision for his next coaching location. He shoots that down completely here and says that the most important factor is having a good working relationship with the front office. That is already in place in New Orleans. I've also heard some wonder why Payton would want to return to the Saints with them having no 1st rounder in 2023. Well, anywhere else he goes is likely not to have one either and will likely have to give up even more just to get his rights. I'm not saying I absolutely expect Payton to return, but it isn't quite the pipedream that some claim it to be either.
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12-16-2022, 12:26 PM	#90
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,868	Re: Denver Will Be Payton’s Next Job Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This ^^^ Many people are making the assumption that QB would be a driving force in Payton's decision for his next coaching location. He shoots that down completely here and says that the most important factor is having a good working relationship with the front office. That is already in place in New Orleans. I've also heard some wonder why Payton would want to return to the Saints with them having no 1st rounder in 2023. Well, anywhere else he goes is likely not to have one either and will likely have to give up even more just to get his rights. I'm not saying I absolutely expect Payton to return, but it isn't quite the pipedream that some claim it to be either. LOTS of assumptions are being made on this site. AsylumGuido likes this.

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