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Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 962519)

That's delusional fan thinking believing that players are rabid fans like us and would do anything, even to their own personal detriment, to help the team.

Why don't you go first? Monday morning go to your CEO's office and offer to take a pay cut in order to help the company bottom line.

Dude, for everyone in the NFL it's a career. It's a livelihood. Even though everyone is paid huge amounts of money to do the work, only fool would give up what they worked for in order to better the team.

That is not a dream. That's a delusion. You should get some help for that.

SFIAH

I am not sick at home or injured sitting the bench.. I actually perform my tasks as I am paid for. Seems your nose is a bit brown there my somewhat ignorant friend.:dunce: Guess Brees was delusional...he was healthy and playing at the time of his delusional decision:dunce:

https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-rene...-space-in-2021

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962528)

Alvin Kamara fires back at Michael Thomas critics after latest injury update

John Sigler
November 5, 2022 4:13 pm CT

Alvin Kamara has really come into his own this season as one of the leaders on the New Orleans Saints’ roster. Sure, he’s a five-time Pro Bowler and the face of their franchise, but 2022 was the first year in which he earned a captain’s patch on his uniform. And he’s shouldered that new responsibility well in demanding greater accountability in the locker room and defending his teammates from unfair criticism in speaking with the media.

The Saints sent wide receiver Michael Thomas to injured reserve this week after resting him for five games, teeing him up for surgery on a dislocated toe that’s likely going to end his season. It’s led to troubling comments online questioning his commitment to the team and suggesting he’s tapped out after having signed a contract extension. Kamara acknowledged the frustration — this is the third year in a row Thomas has missed significant time with injury — but pushed back against the critics doubting his teammate’s motivation.

“It’s a lot of **** we’ve got to go through,” Kamara told ESPN’s Katherine Terrell, pointing out that fans don’t see the long, painful hours in the trainer’s room working on injury rehab. He added, “A player like that, that’s fighting to get back, not only for his team, but for the fans and for this city … For people to be talking ****, it’s like, ah, it hurts my soul to see that.”

Kamara said that Thomas was optimistic he’d be active for the Raiders game, having taken the team doctors’ advice to rest his injured toe and receive treatment. But the dislocated digit didn’t heal as everyone involved hoped that it would after a recent MRI scan, prompting a change of plans. Thomas is still following doctor’s orders. It’s not like he’s gone rogue again and stopped talking to the team for months.

He’s as frustrated as anyone, which Kamara has seen firsthand. More from his conversation with Terrell: “Nobody’s in here like ‘Let me get injured and not play and just get paid.’ We get paid to play obviously and we want to be available but when you can’t do it, there’s certain things you’ve got to be smart about.”

What’s next for Thomas is anyone’s guess. Things can’t continue as they have considering his contract status. There’s a very real and unfortunate possibility that he’s already caught his last pass in a Saints uniform. But if things work out to where he continues to wear black and gold, Kamara has made it clear he’ll be one of the first teammates to welcome Thomas to their locker room.

LMAO.... thug Karmara will be suspended for 6 games.... end of season for the Saints... new video shows Karmara beating the helpless victim....:dunce:

Reference...liberal source ought to satisfy you little guido

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...amaras-status/

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962536)

My "hole" was a Havana Suite on the Carnival Vista out of Galveston for the past week, thank you very much. :bng: Assuming, of course, it was I to whom you were referring. What "hole" have you been in for the past few months? Missed you!

ASSUME...LMAO.... :dunce:

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 962547)

First off as many fans love to say "the contract is the contract" It's guaranteed for injury. Do you work at a job that has a 100% injury rate? If you did, your contract would probably be guaranteed for injury too.

As for Brees, look at the date. That was in the 2021 offseason. Brees had likely already decided to retire. He wasn't to play in 2021. So, dropping that salary only served for cap cost accounting purposes since that 2021 salary was never going to be paid anyway. That article actually has a link to an earlier article where Brees restructured to help the team out in a cap situation in 2019. But it wasn't a pay cut. It was a restructure moving salary to bonus and pushing the payments into further cap years. Cap years like this year where the Saints are still paying $11 million to the cap for Brees in dead money. So, did he really help the team? It's more of a toss up than it looks.

There's no ignorance here. I'm simply explaining the system as it works. You are railing against both the player and the system because you don't like how either works.

But if you are right and MT13 is a lazy, selfish, prima donna, then you are going to get your wish. The Saints cannot carry a $28 million cap hit for MT13 into 2023. And the supposedly selfish player likely won't take an actual pay cut on the current contract. So, the team will cut him, he will be gone, and you hopefully will finally be happy.

So, here's my question to you: Olave gives the Saints 5 stellar years of service and it's now time for that second contract. Given what happened with Thomas, what do you think the Saints ought to do? Play for performance is off the table as Olave will simply go to free agency and get paid by a team that will give the huge signing bonus and injury guarantees.

Has a team been successful with only talent on rookie contracts? Because that's the only way teams can get the value that you seek. Under your wishing scheme, the Saints wouldn't have Ram, Lattimore, Kamara, Jordan or any other long time veterans.

SFIAH

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 962550)

To your question....Learn from it and not be stupid is all.:dunce:

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 962548)

hurts his soul he says. he wasn't the one getting pounded in the face. It was m...f....er how does that feel as he's pounding the dude. The start of damage control at it's very best.... more to come, just watch.

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 962552)

To your question....Learn from it and not be stupid is all.:dunce:

Learn what sir? Learn to predict the future? Learn to never give long term contracts?

I'm trying to have a serious conversation about management of these issues and all you seem to have is meaningless pithy quips.

Without a doubt the :dunce: emoji you use in every post really does apply.

SFIAH

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 962552)

To your question....Learn from it and not be stupid is all.:dunce:

I'll give you another chance to specifically answer my question:

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So, here's my question to you: Olave gives the Saints 3,4, or 5 stellar years of service and it's now time for that second contract. Given what happened with Thomas, what do you think the Saints ought to do? Play for performance is off the table as Olave will simply go to free agency and get paid by a team that will give the huge signing bonus and injury guarantees.

So what should be done by the Saints to "not be stupid." in this situation? Please be specific in your answer. Note that we are on the Internet, so there isn't a word limit.

SFIAH

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 962556)

I'll give you another chance to specifically answer my question:

So what should be done by the Saints to "not be stupid." in this situation? Please be specific in your answer. Note that we are on the Internet, so there isn't a word limit.

SFIAH

I’ll answer it bro. For one, I fully expect Olave to do what you’re proposing. Two, you gotta pay him when he does. If you wanna win a Super Bowl you’re gonna pay for it.

Re: Michael Thomas to IR

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 962555)

I blocked the :dunce: over a year ago, SFIAH. It is impossible to have any conversation with the :dunce: because :dunce: has no meaningful understanding of any subject :dunce: broaches.

:D