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nola_swammi 11-08-2022 11:29 PM

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Did they forget how to incorporate taysom & Alvin after one week. Just sad OC have to script plays for dalton to have Kamara as 1st and only option against raiders then Dalton won’t look for AK when plays break down. OC not adjusting to the defensive schemes or Dalton not able to read and react is a problem. Need an offensive minded coach and DA to focus only on defense. NFC South sux. The sad thing comes draft time I will be watching ALL those qb’s be drafted before 2nd rd. One might drop but most likely going need time to develop and adding a qb coach to help with the development. Think Brees will be up to the challenge for being a qb coach?

saintsfan1976 11-09-2022 07:43 AM

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That's it. I'm all for Dennis Allen being vacated from his job.

TheOak 11-09-2022 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 962751)
Even Guido can't pump sunshine into this one.



Looking at how our division is doing in general, the NFC South has become the old NFC East. We're all in a rough place both short and long term.

Guido pumping sunshine.
https://media4.giphy.com/media/s2tey...iphy.webp&ct=g

AsylumGuido 11-09-2022 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 962801)
I don’t understand. They used him quite a bit last week. And he was making plays and doing great. Then this week he had 3 touches. And none until the 3rd quarter if I’m not mistaken.

First play, third series, first quarter, Taysom was in at QB and was stopped for no gain. The next play he was targeted at TE with a Dalton pass. By the second possession of the second quarter the Saints were down by 14.

I feel they have certain plays designed for Taysom and if the situations do not arise he doesn't get the call to even hit the field.

I saw him open a couple of other times but he didn't appear to be an early option in the progression. Dalton just never seems to see the entire field. Brees was phenomenal at that. We were spoiled. Although, I still feel Winston is better at it than Dalton.

AsylumGuido 11-09-2022 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 962807)
Guido pumping sunshine.

Excuse me for trying to stay positive at times. This was a game no one had us winning.

AsylumGuido 11-09-2022 08:24 AM

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AsylumGuido 11-09-2022 08:25 AM

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AsylumGuido 11-09-2022 08:46 AM

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Some positives (sunshine) from Monday Night ...

- Chris Olave continues to shine. He'd be great with a QB that could actually throw downfield.

- Alontae Taylor once again looked great in coverage.

- Marcus Maye looked to have a very solid game while leading the team in tackles.

- Kaden Ellis filled in pretty well for Werner after he went down.

- Ruiz continues to look like a real NFL lineman which was fully demonstrated when moved to center after McCoy went down 18 plays into the game. His replacement at guard, Throckmorton, was an open gate.

FinSaint 11-09-2022 02:01 PM

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As great as Olave has been and will continue to be in the future - I sure wish the Saints had their 1st round pick in the coming draft as it's going to be a high one.

leilung 11-09-2022 03:11 PM

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My Ravens Game Post Mortem

The Uppers

- Defense had good pressure and containment on Jackson. (I just don’t see how you tackle a guy who can fumble the ball on the run, pick it up under pressure, and then hawk it 40+ yards downfield.)

- Good effort from all of the receivers who really did all that they could to keep the game interesting.

- Special Teams looked good with Shaheed handling the run backs.

The Downers (There’s a bunch so I’ll just hit a few.)

- Coaches are back to HIGHLY predictable offensive play calling and zero creativity with respect to Red Zone scoring efficiency. What happened in a week?

- If Dalton is struggling, why NOT use Hill more often under center...and not just so he can keep it to run for 4 yards.

- Not sure if it was because of shadowing Jackson, but Drake looked like Emmit Smith for no good reason.

- Roquan Smith wrecked shop. I got nothing.

- Dalton. How do you just go back to holding the ball (again) after doing such a great job of getting rid of the ball quickly the previous week? Also, missing a wide open Callaway? What in the the Blue Hell was THAT ish? Just when it looks like things are starting to click… we get a Red Ryder BB Gun instead of the fabled Red Rifle!

Mixed Bag
- Gilliken. Is this the same dude who got drug tested after booting the ball 80 yards?

- Has anyone done analysis on our injuries on Turf vs. Grass? Does the Dome need to be resurfaced to get our guys out of the blue tent?

AsylumGuido 11-09-2022 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 962833)

- Has anyone done analysis on our injuries on Turf vs. Grass? Does the Dome need to be resurfaced to get our guys out of the blue tent?

Apparently a recent study shows there isn't much of a difference.


That said, I do know that a greater number of turf toe injuries have been tied to the ultra lightweight shoes that many players started wearing recently. There is virtually no support and it is becoming more and more common to hyperextend the toes even while wearing the shoes.

Boston Saint 11-09-2022 06:45 PM

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Responding to rez and Major’s upcoming FA QB posts, I Just checked out Gardner’s stats:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MinsGa00.htm

I’m impressed. Better than a 3:1 career TD to Int ratio, most of that playing with a dysfunctional Jacksonville franchise. I’d definitely kick the tires on him.

rezburna 11-09-2022 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962835)
Apparently a recent study shows there isn't much of a difference.

https://twitter.com/SeifertESPN/stat...57655922049024

That said, I do know that a greater number of turf toe injuries have been tied to the ultra lightweight shoes that many players started wearing recently. There is virtually no support and it is becoming more and more common to hyperextend the toes even while wearing the shoes.

I preferred the turf myself.

rezburna 11-09-2022 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 962780)
These two for me.

Both are relatively young, probably won't break the bank and some upside.

Right.

BakoSaint 11-09-2022 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962835)
Apparently a recent study shows there isn't much of a difference.

https://twitter.com/SeifertESPN/stat...57655922049024

That said, I do know that a greater number of turf toe injuries have been tied to the ultra lightweight shoes that many players started wearing recently. There is virtually no support and it is becoming more and more common to hyperextend the toes even while wearing the shoes.

I question these stats. Just looking at the graph, the injuries on natural grass are lower all four years from 2018-2021, ranging from 25% lower in 2019 to 2.5% lower in 2021. It looks like they were about 15% lower in 2018 and 2020 so that would be above the average. Also notice that the graph tracks a very specific subset of injuries: non contact injuries to the knee, ankle, and foot. It also has a very specific metric of missed time and we have no idea how they count that with free agents, retirements, suspensions, etc. I am always suspicious when I see something like that because if you have a lot of knobs you can turn playing with statistics you can often get the result you want, and specifying non contact vs contact injuries and three specific body parts seems like a lot of filtering to get the results they want. I would like to see a lot more graphs of different injury types and ways of measuring impact. Perhaps if they had looked at contact injuries to the toe, hips, and shin and measured by the number of surgical procedures or retirements not theoretical games missed, the injuries would have been double on artificial turf.

The NFL does not want to be liable for injuries or upset its owners big investments so I don't trust them to throw out one graph of their choosing that shows 15% less injuries on natural grass and even believe that graph is representative, much less that 15% means zero difference. I take take 15% to be the minimum difference.

Boston Saint 11-10-2022 07:03 AM

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Pretty good video here about how Smith helped shut down the Saints ..


NFLguy2022 11-11-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 962762)
Geno Smith (32 years old)
Baker Mayfield (27 years old)
Sam Darnold (25 years old)
Jimmy Garoppolo (31 years old)
Daniel Jones (25 years old)
Tyler Huntley (25 years old)
Gardner Minshew (26 years old)

Lamar if you can sign him or if you'd want him. Out of that group I think Id take my chances with Lamar IMO.


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