Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2022, 08:48 AM

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AsylumGuido · 11-15-2022, 12:12 PM

This is a case of PFF grading making little sense when it comes to Dalton.

Top 5 offense (minimum 16 snaps)

71.4 – RB Alvin Kamara (37 snaps)
70.1 – QB Andy Dalton (43 snaps)
69.0 – WR Chris Olave (36 snaps)
62.1 – RT Ryan Ramczyk (47 snaps)
61.2 – WR Jarvis Landry (37 snaps)
Honorable mention: WR Rashid Shaheed (75.3 grade on 6 snaps)

Top 5 defense (minimum 27 snaps)

90.1 – LB Kaden Elliss (81 snaps)
76.7 – S P.J. Williams (84 snaps)
69.6 – CB Chris Harris Jr. (55 snaps)
69.3 – DE Cameron Jordan (49 snaps)
68.9 – LB Zack Baun (28 snaps)
Honorable mention: S Tyrann mathieu (67.5 grade on 84 snaps)

Bottom 5 offense (minimum 16 snaps)

26.2 – LG Lewis Kidd (26 snaps)
40.1 – LT Landon Young (20 snaps)
41.0 – LG Calvin Throckmorton (21 snaps)
44.4 – WR Kevin White (31 snaps)
45.0 – TE Taysom Hill (19 snaps)
Dishonorable mention: C Josh Andrews (47.4 grade on 47 snaps)

Bottom 5 defense (minimum 27 snaps)

27.9 – DT Kentavius Street (45 snaps)
32.1 – CB Alontae Taylor (80 snaps)
40.3 – CB Paulson Adebo (84 snaps)
47.4 – DT David Onyemata (42 snaps)
48.6 – DT Malcolm Roach (44 snaps)
Dishonorable mention: DT Shy Tuttle (51.7 grade on 34 snaps)

Boston Saint · 11-15-2022, 12:19 PM

No doubt the Saints didn’t play well enough to win. It’s interesting to think about little things that impact the game though. Say for example Werner was able to play and Watt wasn’t. Just a thought exercise.

leilung · 11-15-2022, 12:57 PM

Loss Post Mortem

The Uppers
- Good to have Harris' Vet presence basically all over the field. Ditto to Ellis.
- Landry was a welcome return.
- JJ is coming into his own as a strong TE option.
- Both Lutz and Gilliken seem to be back to form. (Yes. So bad, I have to reach for Special Team kicking!)

The Downers
- Why don't we just bench AK41. Carmichael won't use him so you may as well reduce his exposure to injury.
- Allowing AD to keep it on QB sneaks, because he's obviously such a physical stud, instead of Taysom. I'm smelling rocket field from the coaches.
- Chronic 3rd and longs, Red Zone efficiency of a HS Squad, Vanilla Offensive play calling... Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
- Penalties. Sure Taylor seemed like he was lost this game, but some of the BS calls were just beyond ridiculous. I don't see DA in any official's ear...miss SP Big Time.

K Major · 11-15-2022, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/JeffDuncan_/stat...24339571838979

72 penalties thus far and over 600 yards. 19 false starts (tied for the worst).

Wow, just wow.

Source

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2022, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

72 penalties thus far and over 600 yards. 19 false starts (tied for the worst).

Wow, just wow.

Source

The false starts are somewhat understandable given all the different offensive players being forced into duty. It doesn't make it any more acceptable, but it is understandable.

voodooido · 11-15-2022, 01:29 PM

Niothing good came out of this game. Every position needs upgraded. Again, barn sale in the off-season

halloween 65 · 11-15-2022, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Niothing good came out of this game. Every position needs upgraded. Again, barn sale in the off-season

It will be a barn sale on coaches soon enough, i hope allen gets canned and on his way out don't let the door hit him where the good lord split him. To all of those that were pumped up to see Allen take over, I don't understand why???? Track record was horrible and now you slowly but surely get to endure the agony of the week to week misery he brings as a hc. Careful what u wish for ladies and gentlemen, not all is good at their job.

AsylumGuido · 11-15-2022, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Niothing good came out of this game. Every position needs upgraded. Again, barn sale in the off-season

Every position is automatically upgraded if every starter iss healthy and playing. We have had 3rd stringers spread throughout the weekly starting lineup.

K Major · 11-15-2022, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The false starts are somewhat understandable given all the different offensive players being forced into duty.

Disagree.

False starts this late in the season are all on coaching.

That's what practice, OTA's, training camp & the pre-season games are for.

Saints future

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers Twitter This is a case of PFF grading making little sense when it comes to Dalton. Top 5 offense (minimum 16 snaps) 71.4 – RB Alvin Kamara (37 snaps) 70.1 – QB Andy Dalton (43 snaps) 69.0 – WR Chris Olave (36 snaps) 62.1 – RT Ryan Ramczyk (47 snaps) 61.2 – WR Jarvis Landry (37 snaps) Honorable mention: WR Rashid Shaheed (75.3 grade on 6 snaps) Top 5 defense (minimum 27 snaps) 90.1 – LB Kaden Elliss (81 snaps) 76.7 – S P.J. Williams (84 snaps) 69.6 – CB Chris Harris Jr. (55 snaps) 69.3 – DE Cameron Jordan (49 snaps) 68.9 – LB Zack Baun (28 snaps) Honorable mention: S Tyrann mathieu (67.5 grade on 84 snaps) Bottom 5 offense (minimum 16 snaps) 26.2 – LG Lewis Kidd (26 snaps) 40.1 – LT Landon Young (20 snaps) 41.0 – LG Calvin Throckmorton (21 snaps) 44.4 – WR Kevin White (31 snaps) 45.0 – TE Taysom Hill (19 snaps) Dishonorable mention: C Josh Andrews (47.4 grade on 47 snaps) Bottom 5 defense (minimum 27 snaps) 27.9 – DT Kentavius Street (45 snaps) 32.1 – CB Alontae Taylor (80 snaps) 40.3 – CB Paulson Adebo (84 snaps) 47.4 – DT David Onyemata (42 snaps) 48.6 – DT Malcolm Roach (44 snaps) Dishonorable mention: DT Shy Tuttle (51.7 grade on 34 snaps)
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11-15-2022, 12:19 PM	#43
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers No doubt the Saints didn’t play well enough to win. It’s interesting to think about little things that impact the game though. Say for example Werner was able to play and Watt wasn’t. Just a thought exercise.

11-15-2022, 12:57 PM	#44
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,351	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers Loss Post Mortem The Uppers - Good to have Harris' Vet presence basically all over the field. Ditto to Ellis. - Landry was a welcome return. - JJ is coming into his own as a strong TE option. - Both Lutz and Gilliken seem to be back to form. (Yes. So bad, I have to reach for Special Team kicking!) The Downers - Why don't we just bench AK41. Carmichael won't use him so you may as well reduce his exposure to injury. - Allowing AD to keep it on QB sneaks, because he's obviously such a physical stud, instead of Taysom. I'm smelling rocket field from the coaches. - Chronic 3rd and longs, Red Zone efficiency of a HS Squad, Vanilla Offensive play calling... Wash, Rinse, Repeat. - Penalties. Sure Taylor seemed like he was lost this game, but some of the BS calls were just beyond ridiculous. I don't see DA in any official's ear...miss SP Big Time.
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11-15-2022, 01:06 PM	#45
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11-15-2022, 01:19 PM	#46
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers Originally Posted by K Major 72 penalties thus far and over 600 yards. 19 false starts (tied for the worst). Wow, just wow. Source The false starts are somewhat understandable given all the different offensive players being forced into duty. It doesn't make it any more acceptable, but it is understandable.

11-15-2022, 01:29 PM	#47
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,761	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers Niothing good came out of this game. Every position needs upgraded. Again, barn sale in the off-season
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11-15-2022, 01:50 PM	#48
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers Originally Posted by voodooido Niothing good came out of this game. Every position needs upgraded. Again, barn sale in the off-season It will be a barn sale on coaches soon enough, i hope allen gets canned and on his way out don't let the door hit him where the good lord split him. To all of those that were pumped up to see Allen take over, I don't understand why???? Track record was horrible and now you slowly but surely get to endure the agony of the week to week misery he brings as a hc. Careful what u wish for ladies and gentlemen, not all is good at their job.

11-15-2022, 02:09 PM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Steelers Originally Posted by voodooido Niothing good came out of this game. Every position needs upgraded. Again, barn sale in the off-season Every position is automatically upgraded if every starter iss healthy and playing. We have had 3rd stringers spread throughout the weekly starting lineup.