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AsylumGuido 11-15-2022 08:36 AM

Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Really good interview here.


For the second consecutive season a confluence injuries has become a major talking point as things go awry for the New Orleans Saints, but one thing has changed.

This year it's Matt Rhea at the helm as the Director of Sports Science, a change that's been lauded by players and team personnel despite the continued run of bad injury luck. Longtime strength and conditioning coach Dan Dalrymple was let go during the offseason as the team revamped that staff.

So what is the culprit to continued injury issues like those that have plagued Michael Thomas yet again? Rhea joined Mike Hoss and Bobby Hebert on WWL this week to talk about that subject and more.

"Without really diving into this particular injuries or people, I will say this on Mike: He works his tail off. The guy has worked hard in his rehab. He does extra work. He's constantly working on the things that he needs to work on to get better and to return. And so I think there's a lot of things that go into different injuries and different situations.

"And it's probably frustrating for fans when you don't have all the information and you don't see all of the factors that are involved that sometimes it becomes, you know, the frustration can be come something that boils up because of a lack of that information.

"Our guys work hard. Our staff works hard. Everyone, I think, they're doing everything they possibly can to limit the risk of injury, minimize the severity of an injury if it's going to happen, get them back as fast as possible, that's healthy and appropriate for return to play, and then to stay on the field and be healthy throughout it. There's some really good people involved in this and then players that, well, I'll tell you what, I really enjoyed coming here and seeing the buy-in from the players and the excitement from the players to train, to do things we're asking them to do, or not do things we're asking them not to do. I've been very impressed with and I think that's something that often gets overlooked or not not addressed enough with the fan base that these guys, these guys are working hard. They want to be healthy. They want to perform at their best. They want to win. That's why they do it, and I really appreciate their efforts in that regard."


Full interview here ...

SaintsBro 11-15-2022 09:14 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
I'd say we've seen the last of Thomas in a Saints uniform.

rezburna 11-15-2022 09:32 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
I’m still rocking with MT. Hope he gets healthy and comes back balling. Loved what I saw Week 1 when he was killing AJ Terrell.

Rugby Saint II 11-15-2022 11:24 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Unfortunately, Mike Thomas may have that nasty injury bug that just doesn't seem to go away. I wish him well and would like to see him play well for the Saints again but that may be a pie in the sky dream.

AsylumGuido 11-15-2022 11:31 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 963283)
Unfortunately, Mike Thomas may have that nasty injury bug that just doesn't seem to go away. I wish him well and would like to see him play well for the Saints again but that may be a pie in the sky dream.

Or he may be like those players that get hit by a couple of injuries and then never misses any more significant time for the remainder of their careers. I've seen it both ways. His two injuries have been totally unrelated with one being the left ankle and the other a toe on the right foot so there's no indication it could be anything chronic.

jnormand 11-15-2022 12:00 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Not holding my breath. The guy was a beast. Until he wasn’t.

leilung 11-15-2022 12:21 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Just call me a resident of Missouri....

Show Me!

Boston Saint 11-15-2022 12:23 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leilung (Post 963294)
Just call me a resident of Missouri....

Show Me!


cmike 11-15-2022 12:42 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 963284)
Or he may be like those players that get hit by a couple of injuries and then never misses any more significant time for the remainder of their careers. I've seen it both ways. His two injuries have been totally unrelated with one being the left ankle and the other a toe on the right foot so there's no indication it could be anything chronic.

Kinda like #80 Rice. He missed most of the ‘97 season.

AsylumGuido 11-15-2022 12:47 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cmike (Post 963297)
Kinda like #80 Rice. He missed most of the ‘97 season.

Yup. Then he played the next seven years without missing a single game.

dizzle88 11-15-2022 12:53 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Have any receivers missed 3 straight seasons and then never had injury issues again?

Boston Saint 11-15-2022 01:03 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cmike (Post 963297)
Kinda like #80 Rice. He missed most of the ‘97 season.

Most of the 97 season is not missing 40 out of 50 games like Thomas will have done by the end of the season. I’m curious what players have come back from multiple injuries missing the kind of time Thomas has and come back to play at the level they played at before. Adrian Paterson maybe? There may be a few but mostly i’d doesn’t happen. And i’m saying that from a guy who wants it to happen. Because a WR group of Thomas, Olave, and Shaheed going into next year isn’t bad if healthy. Probably will not have a ready Thomas though.

MatthewT 11-15-2022 01:04 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
MT is in a bad spot. The way the 2021 season went down with no communication with the team and the perceived unnecessary delay with surgery will absolutely haunt him for his remaining time with the Saints. That is why people today are doubting him so much.

AsylumGuido 11-15-2022 01:13 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 963301)
Have any receivers missed 3 straight seasons and then never had injury issues again?

Out of over 26,000 NFL players in NFL history it's very likely there have been several.

halloween 65 11-15-2022 01:32 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
if and that's a big if he comes back next season, he want make the season. he might be really good in a few games but that's it, back to the club tub.

saintsfan1976 11-15-2022 01:43 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
I hope we keep MT. Restructure the current contract. Add five years to it.

Then I'd throw it to him, call run plays for him, kickoff coverage, dry cleaning.. Everything is his going forward.

neugey 11-15-2022 02:02 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 963301)
Have any receivers missed 3 straight seasons and then never had injury issues again?


The one comparison that comes to mind is the former Giants receiver Victor Cruz. Had the big injury that knocked him out for a season and a half, came back but before long recurring injuries never let him do much more, and eventually had to retire.

BakoSaint 11-15-2022 08:55 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
MT did not just miss one season. At the end of this season he will have missed 40 of his last 50 games over 3 seasons. Personally, I cannot recall any player who missed that many games due to injury and went on to sustain a high level of production upon his return. Yeah he is young. So was Victor Cruz when he missed a lot of time and retired. There are tons of wide receivers whose careers ended early due to injury such as Victor Cruz, Sterling Sharpe, and Al Toon. If you think he will probably come back and be fine because of hope and rainbows and anecdotes please give me the examples of players who missed 40 of 50 games and came back to greatness. There are probably one or two I can't think of in the history of all the NFL. But there are thousands and thousands of players who missed 40 of 50 games and that spelled the end of their careers, because that trend is too long and not just a blip. So realistically, objectively, it would be an amazing story in Michael Thomas came back, but looking at precedents it seems like the odds are less than 1 in 100.

mapcow 11-16-2022 09:45 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
cut bait.... lose the prima donna

mjf150 11-18-2022 11:02 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Michael Thomas just needs to change his position from “WR” to “IR”!

Boston Saint 11-18-2022 11:11 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mjf150 (Post 963530)
Michael Thomas just needs to change his position from “WR” to “IR”!

I genuinely laughed out loud at that.

AsylumGuido 11-18-2022 11:42 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mjf150 (Post 963530)
Michael Thomas just needs to change his position from “WR” to “IR”!

As should the 275 other players currently on the NFL Injured Report List.

:bugeyes:

Boston Saint 11-18-2022 12:24 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 963532)
As should the 275 other players currently on the NFL Injured Report List.

:bugeyes:

All 275 that will have missed 40 out of 50 games sure.

dizzle88 11-18-2022 12:35 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 963533)
All 275 that will have missed 40 out of 50 games sure.

And get paid 20 times more per year than guys who at least show up every game day.

BakoSaint 11-24-2022 10:49 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
He is also working on a new album for his music career which will be titled North Korean Democracy.

Rugby Saint II 11-26-2022 01:47 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
The more I read and listen to podcasts the more willing I am to part ways with Michael Thomas after this year. A post June 1st cut saves us a lot of money. Not to mention the headaches involved.

mapcow 11-28-2022 10:14 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 963268)
Really good interview here.

https://twitter.com/WWLAMFM/status/1590676246702477312

For the second consecutive season a confluence injuries has become a major talking point as things go awry for the New Orleans Saints, but one thing has changed.

This year it's Matt Rhea at the helm as the Director of Sports Science, a change that's been lauded by players and team personnel despite the continued run of bad injury luck. Longtime strength and conditioning coach Dan Dalrymple was let go during the offseason as the team revamped that staff.

So what is the culprit to continued injury issues like those that have plagued Michael Thomas yet again? Rhea joined Mike Hoss and Bobby Hebert on WWL this week to talk about that subject and more.

"Without really diving into this particular injuries or people, I will say this on Mike: He works his tail off. The guy has worked hard in his rehab. He does extra work. He's constantly working on the things that he needs to work on to get better and to return. And so I think there's a lot of things that go into different injuries and different situations.

"And it's probably frustrating for fans when you don't have all the information and you don't see all of the factors that are involved that sometimes it becomes, you know, the frustration can be come something that boils up because of a lack of that information.

"Our guys work hard. Our staff works hard. Everyone, I think, they're doing everything they possibly can to limit the risk of injury, minimize the severity of an injury if it's going to happen, get them back as fast as possible, that's healthy and appropriate for return to play, and then to stay on the field and be healthy throughout it. There's some really good people involved in this and then players that, well, I'll tell you what, I really enjoyed coming here and seeing the buy-in from the players and the excitement from the players to train, to do things we're asking them to do, or not do things we're asking them not to do. I've been very impressed with and I think that's something that often gets overlooked or not not addressed enough with the fan base that these guys, these guys are working hard. They want to be healthy. They want to perform at their best. They want to win. That's why they do it, and I really appreciate their efforts in that regard."


Full interview here ...

uhh... busting his ass to be ready for some other team than that of the SAINTS. Told yall.

BakoSaint 11-29-2022 10:15 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 964029)
uhh... busting his ass to be ready for some other team than that of the SAINTS. Told yall.

We could regret letting him go as much as the Giants regretted letting Victor Cruz go the Bears. Victor was ready to ball in Chicago.

MatthewT 11-29-2022 10:29 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
There is no question in my mind that Olave and Shaheed should be penciled in as starters for 2023. With young WR's on rookie contracts, it is absolutely time to cut or trade Thomas.

Rugby Saint II 11-30-2022 12:54 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 964098)
There is no question in my mind that Olave and Shaheed should be penciled in as starters for 2023. With young WR's on rookie contracts, it is absolutely time to cut or trade Thomas.

Let's go with the trade route. At least we'll get something back for him. We've been paying him to sit in the hot tub and he has not even bother coming to the games for quite some time.

AsylumGuido 11-30-2022 02:02 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 964188)
Let's go with the trade route. At least we'll get something back for him. We've been paying him to sit in the hot tub and he has not even bother coming to the games for quite some time.

What do you mean? He's been at every home game as far as I know. Injured players commonly don't travel to road game. :confused:

K Major 11-30-2022 02:21 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Lattimore made the trip to San Fran & on a couple of occasions, spotted him talking X's and O's with coach Sterling Moore.

AsylumGuido 11-30-2022 02:34 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 964201)
Lattimore made the trip to San Fran & on a couple of occasions, spotted him talking X's and O's with coach Sterling Moore.

He's so close to returning he should be able to travel. Not sure that Thomas wasn't there, as well, but it hasn't been long since the surgery on the toe. The team makes the call on who travels and who doesn't.

Edit: Given he tweeted during the game about the game he had to have been watching from home.

4everSaint 11-30-2022 11:02 PM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 963307)
Out of over 26,000 NFL players in NFL history it's very likely there have been several.

Out of the 26k, which ones were worth a ****?

AsylumGuido 12-01-2022 09:32 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 964209)
Out of the 26k, which ones were worth a ****?

I'd venture to guess that every one of them were better at what they did than any of us. :D

shawnkytonk 12-01-2022 11:25 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
In the realm of fandom, I understand most fans have a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Hence all the hate a few have here for MT based on this frame of thought instead of looking at things objectively. Thomas showed in the first 2 games he worked hard to get back where he should be. He more than earned his latest contract. For anyone interested, there are some very informative videos out there put out by physicians on how serious his latest injury is due to how he plays the game. I don't expect a couple of posters to do something logical here though.

iceshack149 12-01-2022 11:40 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 964223)
In the realm of fandom, I understand most fans have a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Hence all the hate a few have here for MT based on this frame of thought instead of looking at things objectively. Thomas showed in the first 2 games he worked hard to get back where he should be. He more than earned his latest contract. For anyone interested, there are some very informative videos out there put out by physicians on how serious his latest injury is due to how he plays the game. I don't expect a couple of posters to do something logical here though.

:rolleyes:You're a gift to this site.

shawnkytonk 12-01-2022 11:42 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 964226)
:rolleyes:You're a gift to this site.

Just as much as you are.

Rugby Saint II 12-02-2022 10:15 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 964197)
What do you mean? He's been at every home game as far as I know. Injured players commonly don't travel to road game. :confused:

I did not know that Guido. Thank you for keeping me straight. Why is that, do they charge them for the ticket? Nonetheless, his attitude doesn't strike me as a team player anymore. I've been patient and my patience is worn out. Produce or collect a check somewhere else.

AsylumGuido 12-02-2022 11:23 AM

Re: Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 964261)
I did not know that Guido. Thank you for keeping me straight. Why is that, do they charge them for the ticket? Nonetheless, his attitude doesn't strike me as a team player anymore. I've been patient and my patience is worn out. Produce or collect a check somewhere else.

I haven't seen anything that would indicate he is any less of a team player than he has ever been. I know his teammates really like him.


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