Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years.

Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without:

2-3 starting olinemen,
# 1 WR
#1 CB
starting QB
Any backup RBs
Middle LB

Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams.

SmashMouth · 11-16-2022, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have put together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science.

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years.

Originally Posted by mapcow

Guess he could not do his job either... Turf Toe is it?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without:

2-3 starting olinemen,
# 1 WR
#1 CB
starting QB
Any backup RBs
Middle LB

Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams.

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport.

You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport.

You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.

I think they want to give all teams a “chance” by establishing a cap to avoid mega-spending teams ruling the league. But they don’t want parity 8-8 teams throughout the league. The league loves stars and winners. They want record setters and attention grabbers. The league really only has to have about 3-4 good matchups a week to show nationwide to keep interest.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I think they want to give all teams a “chance” by establishing a cap to avoid mega-spending teams ruling the league. But they don’t want parity 8-8 teams throughout the league. The league loves stars and winners. They want record setters and attention grabbers. The league really only has to have about 3-4 good matchups a week to show nationwide to keep interest.

Ideally the NFL would want a different team to win it all every year. Even with absolutely parity there are other factors that will always cause some teams to rise up and others fall down with injuries being a major one of those factors. One team winning it all every year becomes just as deflating as every team finishing at 8-9 or 9-8.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Ideally the NFL would want a different team to win it all every year.

Why would this be ideal? The league is trying to sell itself globally. They want the common big names to win. Not unknown cities. The Ideal Super bowl for them is a big East Coast city vs a big West Coast city with a little bit of old guard Packers/Stealers/Dallas thrown in. The hardest thing for them to sell is a matchup between the Saints and Titans for SB.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Why would this be ideal? The league is trying to sell itself globally. They want the common big names to win. Not unknown cities. The Ideal Super bowl for them is a big East Coast city vs a big West Coast city with a little bit of old guard Packers/Stealers/Dallas thrown in. The hardest thing for them to sell is a matchup between the Saints and Titans for SB.

They are already selling it. Or well on the way. The global market has no predefined ties to older successful franchises. The NFL has an international marketing plan that ties specific franchises to different global areas. They call it International Marketing Rights.

Regardless, the Super Bowl sells itself. It will always be the most watched broadcast every year just as it has been for years and years. To the international market it just the NFL and they are starved to watch it. Or at least that's the take on most every article I have read about it.

Don't forget that arguably the worst franchise in the league, J'Ville' sells out every game in Europe.

neugey · 11-16-2022, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Ideally the NFL would want a different team to win it all every year. Even with absolutely parity there are other factors that will always cause some teams to rise up and others fall down with injuries being a major one of those factors. One team winning it all every year becomes just as deflating as every team finishing at 8-9 or 9-8.

If the league is smart, they'd want more dynasties. Attention to the NBA was never higher than in the Bulls Jordan heyday when you either were on the bandwagon with them or you were part of the resistance against them. The same thing kind of happening when Dallas/SF were at the height of their powers in the 90's and the other teams were left with scraps. Dynasties create a lot of attention and contempt.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2022, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

If the league is smart, they'd want more dynasties. Attention to the NBA was never higher than in the Bulls Jordan heyday when you either were on the bandwagon with them or you were part of the resistance against them. The same thing kind of happening when Dallas/SF were at the height of their powers in the 90's and the other teams were left with scraps. Dynasties create a lot of attention and contempt.

The NBA needed that attention since they weren't getting it any other way. No sports league has ever been as successful as the NFL is today. Gone is the need for attention grabbing. No longer is there three networks and the daily paper with only four games being broadcast. The 32nd ranked team has more revenue generating power than the top clubs from those eras all put together. The playoffs and Super Bowl are guaranteed mega money producers regardless of the teams involved. Regular season demand is driven more by the relevancy of the games aired. The more teams alive as the season winds down the better for the broadcast partners. Every game every week is available for broadcast somewhere given all of the broadcast sources. I just don't see "dynasties" as still being a driving force as they were "back then".

Boston Saint · 11-16-2022, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

All good questions. If I had the answers I’d be feeding them to the Saints!

I’m guess Head injuries/concussions are a different ball of wax in that players probably feel like they can come back before protocols allow them.

But other injuries it’s likely on an individual player/team basis on when/if they return based on multiple factors. And the causes are likewise based on multiple factors. But let’s face it, it’s a violent game centered on physical contact. They can make it more like flag football all they want….but you can still blow out a knee or twist an ankle doing that. These guys are getting paid to take that risk.

11-16-2022, 10:19 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,975 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have put together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science. Originally Posted by BakoSaint Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years. Originally Posted by mapcow Guess he could not do his job either... Turf Toe is it? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without: 2-3 starting olinemen, # 1 WR #1 CB starting QB Any backup RBs Middle LB Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams. So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

11-16-2022, 10:56 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,716	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport. You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.
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11-16-2022, 11:13 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport. You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads. I think they want to give all teams a “chance” by establishing a cap to avoid mega-spending teams ruling the league. But they don’t want parity 8-8 teams throughout the league. The league loves stars and winners. They want record setters and attention grabbers. The league really only has to have about 3-4 good matchups a week to show nationwide to keep interest. iceshack149, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-16-2022, 11:25 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,716	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by Boston Saint I think they want to give all teams a “chance” by establishing a cap to avoid mega-spending teams ruling the league. But they don’t want parity 8-8 teams throughout the league. The league loves stars and winners. They want record setters and attention grabbers. The league really only has to have about 3-4 good matchups a week to show nationwide to keep interest. Ideally the NFL would want a different team to win it all every year. Even with absolutely parity there are other factors that will always cause some teams to rise up and others fall down with injuries being a major one of those factors. One team winning it all every year becomes just as deflating as every team finishing at 8-9 or 9-8.

11-16-2022, 11:53 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Ideally the NFL would want a different team to win it all every year. Why would this be ideal? The league is trying to sell itself globally. They want the common big names to win. Not unknown cities. The Ideal Super bowl for them is a big East Coast city vs a big West Coast city with a little bit of old guard Packers/Stealers/Dallas thrown in. The hardest thing for them to sell is a matchup between the Saints and Titans for SB. jnormand, MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-16-2022, 10:02 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by BakoSaint Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years. Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without: 2-3 starting olinemen, # 1 WR #1 CB starting QB Any backup RBs Middle LB Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams. saintsfan1976, Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

11-16-2022, 12:21 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,716	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by Boston Saint Why would this be ideal? The league is trying to sell itself globally. They want the common big names to win. Not unknown cities. The Ideal Super bowl for them is a big East Coast city vs a big West Coast city with a little bit of old guard Packers/Stealers/Dallas thrown in. The hardest thing for them to sell is a matchup between the Saints and Titans for SB. They are already selling it. Or well on the way. The global market has no predefined ties to older successful franchises. The NFL has an international marketing plan that ties specific franchises to different global areas. They call it International Marketing Rights. Regardless, the Super Bowl sells itself. It will always be the most watched broadcast every year just as it has been for years and years. To the international market it just the NFL and they are starved to watch it. Or at least that's the take on most every article I have read about it. Don't forget that arguably the worst franchise in the league, J'Ville' sells out every game in Europe.
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11-16-2022, 01:15 PM	#8
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,878 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Ideally the NFL would want a different team to win it all every year. Even with absolutely parity there are other factors that will always cause some teams to rise up and others fall down with injuries being a major one of those factors. One team winning it all every year becomes just as deflating as every team finishing at 8-9 or 9-8. If the league is smart, they'd want more dynasties. Attention to the NBA was never higher than in the Bulls Jordan heyday when you either were on the bandwagon with them or you were part of the resistance against them. The same thing kind of happening when Dallas/SF were at the height of their powers in the 90's and the other teams were left with scraps. Dynasties create a lot of attention and contempt. SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.

11-16-2022, 03:04 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,716	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by neugey If the league is smart, they'd want more dynasties. Attention to the NBA was never higher than in the Bulls Jordan heyday when you either were on the bandwagon with them or you were part of the resistance against them. The same thing kind of happening when Dallas/SF were at the height of their powers in the 90's and the other teams were left with scraps. Dynasties create a lot of attention and contempt. The NBA needed that attention since they weren't getting it any other way. No sports league has ever been as successful as the NFL is today. Gone is the need for attention grabbing. No longer is there three networks and the daily paper with only four games being broadcast. The 32nd ranked team has more revenue generating power than the top clubs from those eras all put together. The playoffs and Super Bowl are guaranteed mega money producers regardless of the teams involved. Regular season demand is driven more by the relevancy of the games aired. The more teams alive as the season winds down the better for the broadcast partners. Every game every week is available for broadcast somewhere given all of the broadcast sources. I just don't see "dynasties" as still being a driving force as they were "back then".
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

11-16-2022, 10:58 AM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen Originally Posted by SmashMouth So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? (Matt Rhea on Saints WR Michael Thomas' injury/rehab: 'He's constantly working … to return') . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH. All good questions. If I had the answers I’d be feeding them to the Saints! I’m guess Head injuries/concussions are a different ball of wax in that players probably feel like they can come back before protocols allow them. But other injuries it’s likely on an individual player/team basis on when/if they return based on multiple factors. And the causes are likewise based on multiple factors. But let’s face it, it’s a violent game centered on physical contact. They can make it more like flag football all they want….but you can still blow out a knee or twist an ankle doing that. These guys are getting paid to take that risk. SmashMouth likes this.
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