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Boston Saint 11-29-2022 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 964142)
I think there's a very fine line, I think both players and coaches are guilty of a lot this season.

In my view, players need to be held accountable for their BS.

On the other hand, a lot of people here say Dalton is awful and he just might be, but only one person makes the call to keep playing him. So that person obviously thinks there's no better player on the roster to take Dalton's spot. Which I think brings in the right for his decision making to be questioned.

I guess it varies on which way you view it.
But there are some things Allen as HC inherited. He has to go with Kamara. Because of contract he had to go with Thomas. Most of the new blood he is bringing in as coach is working with Olave and Shaeed.

dizzle88 11-29-2022 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964141)
Ok, so in a season that ended up 7-9 on a Halloween game, Payton, who was already established as the HC benched Ingram (whom I believe he drafted).

In my mind that is different from Allen as first year coach who did not draft Kamara trying to stay in the playoff hunt not benching the All Pro Kamara. If he had benched him, to "make a point" then all hell would have come down on his head. He went with Kamara, Kamara let him down.
Completely valid point and I agree, I guess it was just wishful thinking or maybe I was little spoilt with Payton's no nonsense brand to coaching.

Lets hope behind closed doors Alvin is very unhappy with his performance.

dizzle88 11-29-2022 03:49 PM
Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964143)
But there are some things Allen as HC inherited. He has to go with Kamara. Because of contract he had to go with Thomas. Most of the new blood he is bringing in as coach is working with Olave and Shaeed.
Agreed again, I think Olave and Shaheed, with a decent QB and a better offensive coordinator, could be a great tandem.

Sinner 11-29-2022 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964125)
Cool. I’m not a head coach. I can afford to have a more realistic opinion. Do you not want to answer the question I put out? Just wondering. I say all this with respect to your opinions Sinner.
If the question you are referring to has to do with what I was feeling, saying, or yelling during these games... or my "opinion" as a Fan... This is a poorly coached team, loaded with potential and talent, that is not being properly trained, motivated, coordinated and COACHED. It is a FACT that we have a COACHING/MANAGEMENT Problem. That's my opinion.

AsylumGuido 11-29-2022 04:17 PM
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I am confused here. If you have a great player that doesn't have a history of fumbling the ball in critical situations for his whole career and suddenly he fumbles twice on solid, if not great, defensive plays, why is coaching suddenly the problem? Did the player forget how to hold onto the ball without a coach repeatedly tell him not to let players punch it out or drive it out with their helmet? If I am not mistaken he wasn't holding the ball loosely or well away from his body on either occasion.

I believe that Kamara has played long enough to not have to have Dennis Allen come to him to teach him how not to fumble.

:rolleyes:

Sometimes **** just happens. And this year it has happened a lot.

Sinner 11-29-2022 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 964147)
I am confused here. If you have a great player that doesn't have a history of fumbling the ball in critical situations for his whole career and suddenly he fumbles two on solid, if not great, defensive plays, why is coaching suddenly the problem? Did the player forget how to hold onto the ball without a coach repeatedly tell him not to let players punch it out or drive it out with their helmet?

I believe that Kamara has played long enough to not have to have Dennis Allen come to him to teach him how not to fumble.

:rolleyes:
If I could take you back to my original comment, and get back the extra hour of my Life spent coming full circle with you, I would/should have just asked YOU a simple question: Would you feel better with Sean Payton on the sidelines leading the Team this coming Sunday?

AsylumGuido 11-29-2022 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964148)
If I could take you back to my original comment, and get back the extra hour of my Life spent coming full circle with you, I would/should have just asked YOU a simple question: Would you feel better with Sean Payton on the sidelines leading the Team this coming Sunday?
Yes. Of course I would. Primarily because he would be the offensive playcaller during the game and intricately involved in the offensive game plan. Not because I believe he could prevent fumbles.

Sinner 11-29-2022 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 964149)
Yes. Of course I would. Primarily because he would be the offensive playcaller during the game and intricately involved in the offensive game plan. Not because I believe he could prevent fumbles.
So the HEAD COACH has a LOT to do with WINNING GAMES... Correct?

Imagine THAT!

AsylumGuido 11-29-2022 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964150)
So the HEAD COACH has a LOT to do with WINNING GAMES... Correct?

Imagine THAT!
If he's effectively the offensive coordinator, then yes, on game day he is. Credit Dennis Allen that our defense is still extremely good. Blame Pete Carmichael that our offense isn't.

What has more to do with the winning of games than the head coach is injuries. Just look at the defending Super Bowl Champions. Did their head coach suddenly suck? No. They have been decimated by injuries.

Do you put the blame for the Rams woes directly on McVay just as you do Allen?

Sinner 11-29-2022 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 964151)
If he's effectively the offensive coordinator, then yes, on game day he is. Credit Dennis Allen that our defense is still extremely good. Blame Pete Carmichael that our offense isn't.

What has more to do with the winning of games than the head coach is injuries. Just look at the defending Super Bowl Champions. Did their head coach suddenly suck? No. They have been decimated by injuries.

Do you put the blame for the Rams woes directly on McVay just as you do Allen?
Same simple question to you: Would you rather see Sean Payton on the sidelines this coming Sunday? If so, why?


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