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I guess the Saints players like this combination.

I've read that the alternate helmets can only be paired with color rush, alternate, or throwback uniforms.

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I think I'd trade the whole team if we could if it allowed us to get Joe Burrow, that's how bad we need a QB.

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He’s a bad man

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Apparently, no one in the NFC South wants the crown.

The Saints need to find a way to win tonight. On the road. No silly penalties, false starts, or offsides & win the turnover battle.

No excuses.

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Doing all of that would guarantee a win.

:bng:

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But he can't win without anyone else on the roster. ;)

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No, but him and Chase would beat most teams 2 on 11.

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I think Allen and him are the two best QBs in the league. Everyone is up Mahomes' ass, but I'd prefer both of them to Mahomes.

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Well, when you consistently put up ridiculous numbers every Sunday, I can see why the praise is HIGH on Patrick Mahomes.

30/8, almost 4k passing yards & completion percentage of 66%.

I love Josh Allen but give me Patrick.

Damn you Sean Payton ... so close.

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Speaking of former 1st round QBs, I see the Panthers are set to release Baker Mayfield. Coming out of OU, I was really high on him.

Searching for the next great NFL QB is very difficult to find.

Story

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Hopefully, the COACHES (and yes, the HEAD COACH) have made whatever adjustments that needed to be made this week, to coordinate and COACH our team to a WIN tonight.

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Now if the backups can actually execute without false starting. Honestly, at this point the only surefire "adjustments" the coaches can hope to make is to adjust the starting lineup with actual starters. The only way to keep Throckmorton from moving prior to the snap is to nail his ass to the bench.

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I'm hoping that our COACHES (and HEAD COACH) ran practice during the week, to "adjust the starting lineup" to keep players from moving prior to the snap, fumbling, or having to have asses nailed to the bench.

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I'm quite sure our coaches run practice every week and stress those very things. Once the player takes the field it's all on them.

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Well COACHED players will take the field, fully prepared to WIN. Well COACHED players don't lose their skill and ability to execute, between practice and game time, unless they are not well COACHED. We'll see what happens.

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You are assuming the players at fault actually have the skill and ability to execute. In the case of the number one perpetrator of the false start, Throckmorton, I seriously doubt that's the case. The greatest coach alive can't turn Throckmorton into Jahri Evans. Or for that matter even into Andrus Peat.

:D

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The (good) COACH'S JOB is to make sure we aren't even having this conversation about HIS players.

If the Coach's job is to stand on the sidelines and say, "I'm not responsible for the train-wrecks (and the losses, week after week) on the field at game time", then the game has changed since I was a youngster. Call me an old fart.

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AG - that's simply NOT true.

Have you ever watched Bill Bellichick or Andy Reid when they are down (4th quarter adjustments) by 2 scores in a game? Or Coach K or Saban perhaps? Do you ever wonder why there is no "panic" with these teams & coaches? High situational awareness - being able to execute on the fly with a dose of common sense. This is why there are assistants & guys breaking down formations in the booth.

Coaching definitely doesn't stop or "it's all on them once they hit the field" is very far from the truth.

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The game has changed since both of us were youngsters. The time spent with players in practice is a fraction of what it was back then. Practice time in pads are even a tinier percentage. Players used to come to camp out of shape and a blank canvas that the coaches had to paint completely. These days the players are expected to come to camp at 90% of readiness with the coaches having to try to smooth whatever sharp edges they can in a limited amount of time. Reps are extremely limited and the vast majority go to the slotted starters.

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A (good) Coach will say, "IF we suck, then as Head Coach, that falls on ME. Pretty high up on my "to do" list as a HEAD COACH is to make sure we DON'T SUCK. Not at practice, not at game time, not at all, or as little as possible. THAT'S MY JOB."

A (good or great) Head Coach would never advise a (good or great) Fan to "Blame my players for sucking at game time".

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:dunce: :rofl:

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"with the coaches having to try to smooth whatever sharp edges they can in a limited amount of time"... Our Coaches will have to try harder, with whatever amount of time (or players) they have left.

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Don't be silly. Of course there's in game coaching. That's completely different than coaching fundamentals which is what we are discussing, K. Apples and oranges. Coaches can be and are absolutely responsible for everything that you just listed. There's no argument from me on that point. But once the fundamentals are taught (and should have been taught in little league, high school, and college) it is all on the players once they hit the field.

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No one is advising me of that fact. It's obvious to any informed fan that some players are simply not as gifted as others, regardless of how well they are coached.

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You can only do so much as a coach with what God has or has not given the player. My late father-in-law, Cleveland Strong who is in the Louisiana High School Hall of Fame - Class of 1988, told me this once when talking about one of his best players on the way to one of his State Championships. At some point it is up to the player to use what he has been taught to the best of his abilities.

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No, YOU don't be silly.

Verbatim you made a 100% false statement about coaching as it relates to players once they take the field.

No one in this forum is trying to read what's in your mind :rolleyes:.

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I won't go back and forth on this topic because the point is CRYSTAL CLEAR for 99.9% of us on B&G.

Coaching does matter & the current guy in charge doesn't have answers.

A career 12-36 HC record tells me he doesn't have a clue.

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Come on. The whole conversation has been about false start penalties, fumbling, etc. Fundamentals. And it is 100% true that once the whistle blows there's nothing the coach can do to prevent a player from committing a penalty or fumbling a ball. Nothing.

Absolutely nowhere did I ever say that the head coach does not affect the flow of the game with a multitude decisions. That, indeed, would be silly, K.

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Once again, K, where in the heck did I ever say that coaching doesn't matter? What both Boston and myself have tried to convey numerous times recently is that no matter how much or how well a player has been coached, once they hit the playing field it is on them to execute fundamentals and there is nothing anyone else can do to change that fact. I don't believe that either of us has once said that the current coaching staff doesn't have issues with game planning or playcalling. Quite the contrary! I have repeatedly placed blame on Pete Carmichael for the ineptitude of the offensive scheme.

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True to an extent. Once the whistle blows, we get to see how well trained and developed the Team is (COACHING). After the whistle blows, we get to see what kind of adjustments can (or cannot) be made to prevent or correct false start penalties, fumbling, etc. (COACHING). If the COACH gets to simply shrug his shoulders and say, "There's nothing I can do after the whistle blows", then the Player can say the same thing. The Coach can just stay home and watch the game on TV, and blame HIS PLAYERS. And the Fans (some Fans) can come on here, and blame HIS PLAYERS too. Hopefully tonight, we'll WIN, and nobody gets to blame anybody.

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Whatever, Sinner. One thing we can agree upon is our desire for OUR Saints to win tonight.

Who Dat, Brother!

:bng:

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Everyone on this forum needs a win.

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Well...

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Bump …

It’s situational football. The play calling and coaching in general is TERRIBLE.

Throwing on 3rd and 1 with a slant to a WR who had no catches or targets.

Clown 🤡 show lack of coaching on full display tonight.

No way Dennis Allen and Pete C should be back in 2023.

Bad COACHING is why the Saints took another L tonight.

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And what about Ingram stepping out of bounds 1 yard short of the 1st down? Looked almost scripted. Am I a Conspiracy Theorist?