Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs

AsylumGuido · 12-05-2022, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Hopefully, the COACHES (and yes, the HEAD COACH) have made whatever adjustments that needed to be made this week, to coordinate and COACH our team to a WIN tonight.

Now if the backups can actually execute without false starting. Honestly, at this point the only surefire "adjustments" the coaches can hope to make is to adjust the starting lineup with actual starters. The only way to keep Throckmorton from moving prior to the snap is to nail his ass to the bench.

Sinner · 12-05-2022, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Now if the backups can actually execute without false starting. Honestly, at this point the only surefire "adjustments" the coaches can hope to make is to adjust the starting lineup with actual starters. The only way to keep Throckmorton from moving prior to the snap is to nail his ass to the bench.

I'm hoping that our COACHES (and HEAD COACH) ran practice during the week, to "adjust the starting lineup" to keep players from moving prior to the snap, fumbling, or having to have asses nailed to the bench.

AsylumGuido · 12-05-2022, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

I'm hoping that our COACHES (and HEAD COACH) ran practice during the week, to "adjust the starting lineup" to keep players from moving prior to the snap, fumbling, or having to have asses nailed to the bench.

I'm quite sure our coaches run practice every week and stress those very things. Once the player takes the field it's all on them.

Sinner · 12-05-2022, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm quite sure our coaches run practice every week and stress those very things. Once the player takes the field it's all on them.

Well COACHED players will take the field, fully prepared to WIN. Well COACHED players don't lose their skill and ability to execute, between practice and game time, unless they are not well COACHED. We'll see what happens.

AsylumGuido · 12-05-2022, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Well COACHED players will take the field, fully prepared to WIN. Well COACHED players don't lose their skill and ability to execute, between practice and game time, unless they are not well COACHED. We'll see what happens.

You are assuming the players at fault actually have the skill and ability to execute. In the case of the number one perpetrator of the false start, Throckmorton, I seriously doubt that's the case. The greatest coach alive can't turn Throckmorton into Jahri Evans. Or for that matter even into Andrus Peat.

Sinner · 12-05-2022, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are assuming the players at fault actually have the skill and ability to execute. In the case of the number one perpetrator of the false start, Throckmorton, I seriously doubt that's the case. The greatest coach alive can't turn Throckmorton into Jahri Evans. Or for that matter even into Andrus Peat.

The (good) COACH'S JOB is to make sure we aren't even having this conversation about HIS players.

If the Coach's job is to stand on the sidelines and say, "I'm not responsible for the train-wrecks (and the losses, week after week) on the field at game time", then the game has changed since I was a youngster. Call me an old fart.

AsylumGuido · 12-05-2022, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

The (good) COACH'S JOB is to make sure we aren't even having this conversation about HIS players.

If the Coach's job is to stand on the sidelines and say, "I'm not responsible for the train-wrecks (and the losses, week after week) on the field at game time", then the game has changed since I was a youngster. Call me an old fart.

The game has changed since both of us were youngsters. The time spent with players in practice is a fraction of what it was back then. Practice time in pads are even a tinier percentage. Players used to come to camp out of shape and a blank canvas that the coaches had to paint completely. These days the players are expected to come to camp at 90% of readiness with the coaches having to try to smooth whatever sharp edges they can in a limited amount of time. Reps are extremely limited and the vast majority go to the slotted starters.

K Major · 12-05-2022, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm quite sure our coaches run practice every week and stress those very things. Once the player takes the field it's all on them.

AG - that's simply NOT true.

Have you ever watched Bill Bellichick or Andy Reid when they are down (4th quarter adjustments) by 2 scores in a game? Or Coach K or Saban perhaps? Do you ever wonder why there is no "panic" with these teams & coaches? High situational awareness - being able to execute on the fly with a dose of common sense. This is why there are assistants & guys breaking down formations in the booth.

Coaching definitely doesn't stop or "it's all on them once they hit the field" is very far from the truth.

Sinner · 12-05-2022, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

AG - that's simply NOT true.

Have you ever watched Bill Bellichick or Andy Reid when they are down (4th quarter adjustments) by 2 scores in a game? Or Coach K or Saban perhaps? Do you ever wonder why there is no "panic" with these teams & coaches? High situational awareness - being able to execute on the fly with a dose of common sense. This is why there are assistants & guys breaking down formations in the booth.

Coaching definitely doesn't stop or "it's all on them once they hit the field" is very far from the truth.

A (good) Coach will say, "IF we suck, then as Head Coach, that falls on ME. Pretty high up on my "to do" list as a HEAD COACH is to make sure we DON'T SUCK. Not at practice, not at game time, not at all, or as little as possible. THAT'S MY JOB."

A (good or great) Head Coach would never advise a (good or great) Fan to "Blame my players for sucking at game time".

AsylumGuido · 12-05-2022, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

A (good) Coach will say, "IF we suck, then as Head Coach, that falls on ME. Pretty high up on my "to do" list as a HEAD COACH is to make sure we DON'T SUCK. Not at practice, not at game time, not at all, or as little as possible. THAT'S MY JOB."

A (good or great) Head Coach would never advise a (good or great) Fan to "Blame my players for sucking at game time".

No one is advising me of that fact. It's obvious to any informed fan that some players are simply not as gifted as others, regardless of how well they are coached.

12-05-2022, 01:24 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by Sinner Hopefully, the COACHES (and yes, the HEAD COACH) have made whatever adjustments that needed to be made this week, to coordinate and COACH our team to a WIN tonight. Now if the backups can actually execute without false starting. Honestly, at this point the only surefire "adjustments" the coaches can hope to make is to adjust the starting lineup with actual starters. The only way to keep Throckmorton from moving prior to the snap is to nail his ass to the bench.

12-05-2022, 01:36 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,075	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Now if the backups can actually execute without false starting. Honestly, at this point the only surefire "adjustments" the coaches can hope to make is to adjust the starting lineup with actual starters. The only way to keep Throckmorton from moving prior to the snap is to nail his ass to the bench. I'm hoping that our COACHES (and HEAD COACH) ran practice during the week, to "adjust the starting lineup" to keep players from moving prior to the snap, fumbling, or having to have asses nailed to the bench.
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12-05-2022, 01:41 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by Sinner I'm hoping that our COACHES (and HEAD COACH) ran practice during the week, to "adjust the starting lineup" to keep players from moving prior to the snap, fumbling, or having to have asses nailed to the bench. I'm quite sure our coaches run practice every week and stress those very things. Once the player takes the field it's all on them.

12-05-2022, 01:45 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,075	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm quite sure our coaches run practice every week and stress those very things. Once the player takes the field it's all on them. Well COACHED players will take the field, fully prepared to WIN. Well COACHED players don't lose their skill and ability to execute, between practice and game time, unless they are not well COACHED. We'll see what happens.
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12-05-2022, 01:55 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by Sinner Well COACHED players will take the field, fully prepared to WIN. Well COACHED players don't lose their skill and ability to execute, between practice and game time, unless they are not well COACHED. We'll see what happens. You are assuming the players at fault actually have the skill and ability to execute. In the case of the number one perpetrator of the false start, Throckmorton, I seriously doubt that's the case. The greatest coach alive can't turn Throckmorton into Jahri Evans. Or for that matter even into Andrus Peat.

12-05-2022, 01:57 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,075	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are assuming the players at fault actually have the skill and ability to execute. In the case of the number one perpetrator of the false start, Throckmorton, I seriously doubt that's the case. The greatest coach alive can't turn Throckmorton into Jahri Evans. Or for that matter even into Andrus Peat. The (good) COACH'S JOB is to make sure we aren't even having this conversation about HIS players. If the Coach's job is to stand on the sidelines and say, "I'm not responsible for the train-wrecks (and the losses, week after week) on the field at game time", then the game has changed since I was a youngster. Call me an old fart. K Major likes this.
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12-05-2022, 02:08 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by Sinner The (good) COACH'S JOB is to make sure we aren't even having this conversation about HIS players. If the Coach's job is to stand on the sidelines and say, "I'm not responsible for the train-wrecks (and the losses, week after week) on the field at game time", then the game has changed since I was a youngster. Call me an old fart. The game has changed since both of us were youngsters. The time spent with players in practice is a fraction of what it was back then. Practice time in pads are even a tinier percentage. Players used to come to camp out of shape and a blank canvas that the coaches had to paint completely. These days the players are expected to come to camp at 90% of readiness with the coaches having to try to smooth whatever sharp edges they can in a limited amount of time. Reps are extremely limited and the vast majority go to the slotted starters.
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12-05-2022, 02:04 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,879 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm quite sure our coaches run practice every week and stress those very things. Once the player takes the field it's all on them. AG - that's simply NOT true. Have you ever watched Bill Bellichick or Andy Reid when they are down (4th quarter adjustments) by 2 scores in a game? Or Coach K or Saban perhaps? Do you ever wonder why there is no "panic" with these teams & coaches? High situational awareness - being able to execute on the fly with a dose of common sense. This is why there are assistants & guys breaking down formations in the booth. Coaching definitely doesn't stop or "it's all on them once they hit the field" is very far from the truth. Sinner likes this.

12-05-2022, 02:10 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,075	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by K Major AG - that's simply NOT true. Have you ever watched Bill Bellichick or Andy Reid when they are down (4th quarter adjustments) by 2 scores in a game? Or Coach K or Saban perhaps? Do you ever wonder why there is no "panic" with these teams & coaches? High situational awareness - being able to execute on the fly with a dose of common sense. This is why there are assistants & guys breaking down formations in the booth. Coaching definitely doesn't stop or "it's all on them once they hit the field" is very far from the truth. A (good) Coach will say, "IF we suck, then as Head Coach, that falls on ME. Pretty high up on my "to do" list as a HEAD COACH is to make sure we DON'T SUCK. Not at practice, not at game time, not at all, or as little as possible. THAT'S MY JOB." A (good or great) Head Coach would never advise a (good or great) Fan to "Blame my players for sucking at game time". K Major likes this.
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12-05-2022, 03:07 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Week Thirteen: Saints @ Bucs Originally Posted by Sinner A (good) Coach will say, "IF we suck, then as Head Coach, that falls on ME. Pretty high up on my "to do" list as a HEAD COACH is to make sure we DON'T SUCK. Not at practice, not at game time, not at all, or as little as possible. THAT'S MY JOB." A (good or great) Head Coach would never advise a (good or great) Fan to "Blame my players for sucking at game time". No one is advising me of that fact. It's obvious to any informed fan that some players are simply not as gifted as others, regardless of how well they are coached.