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I learned exactly what I needed to learn from it. Thanks.

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And what is that?

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"You think you know, but you don’t know..."

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Deep! Any idea the origin before you google it?

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VERY DEEP.

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It's a take on Socrates. "True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing". Its basically saying you need to be mature enough to be able to shed your ego and preconceptions. Embrace the idea that you could be wrong and are able to listen to other points of view with an open, accepting mind. Then you can evaluate without bias.

Im willing to concede that Allen is not a good future HC. I wouldn't mind if we moved on.

Two organizations thought he was good enough however. I think it wise to evaluate why they both thought he was and to look at what went wrong and what was within his control.

You apparently can't accept you could be wrong and have made up your mind.

Fair enough.

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"Im willing to concede that Allen is not a good future HC. I wouldn't mind if we moved on." Thank You.

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About what I expected.

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Therein lies the problem. This is not a sport! It is only entertainment and once people realize that then watching the NFL rig the games will just be normal. I don't watch football anymore besides my beloved Saints because the game is Just unwatchable. Between the never ending and expanding commercials, the uneducated announcers, and the inept referees make this game unwatchable! I still don't understand how people can bet on entertainment. Do people still bet on WWE? It's probably safer than betting on the NFL.

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^^^ Necessary Buzz-Kill...

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Reality check

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Looking ahead to the next opponent after the bye week is Atlanta.

I see they have named the rookie Desmond Ridder as their starter @ QB.

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The Raiders lost the same way…smh

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Is 16-3 the new 28-3?

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Same but different. Or maybe not....
After the game, Mayfield said that he couldn't believe that with that much field to cover in 15 secs, that the defense was in Man coverage and not Zone....

hmmm. :confused:

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Taysome only works when we are overtly dominant in the run game or the offense is clicking. He isn't "The offense" he's a nice compliment to what the offense does He doesn't fool anybody anymore everyone and their mother knows what's going on when he's in the game. Think ywe going run with Taysom every play to SB ?

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I see he has plenty of you fooled too makes sense for the passes he's been giving in here it's Cowboys chose cooper rush over him. Bears chose Justin fields over him.

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Dalton is very similar to what Jim Everett was when he played for the Saints. Puts up decent numbers but not wins. Jim Everett was the king of garbage yards, Dalton isn't too far behind him... lol

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Thank you some the guys will sit in here and make injuries an excuse for DA bot not for the players on the field? The Saints interior Oline has been trash for every since Kelemete walked. Whatever he doing now is irrelevant when he was here we moved bodies. Can't run the ball inside we don't run the ball outside. MI had a 7 yard "run" that boosted his output that was a backwards pass behind the LOS other than that the run game was the same. Some these guys really believe numbers tell it all and it doesn't. AK shouldn't be starting anymore? Please go take a seat in the dumpster and take those stupid @$$ takes with you.

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I understand poor football from the Saints leaves us with a constant bad taste in our mouth. Let's not let that taste be spread in the forum with RIDICULOUS non-sensical takes. Freedom of speech toy can say what you want I totally agree but somethings have ZERO sense to it. I'm with blowing the team up it has to start with a New GM then New HC and let them weed out who's worth or not worth a roster spot. Saying trade players for a couple bad games that are once in lifetime players not easily replaced with alot of value left is weird because CJGJ had plenty mishaps and alot fans of the team was butt hurt when he got traded be careful what you wish for. Saints are so spoiled its disgusting at times.

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Dalton is an average QB. He's been better than many other players on this team. He placed two perfectly thrown balls to Olave and Landry that would likely have been TD's that they dropped.

Like the Ravens with Dilfer, the Bucs with Brad Johnson, the Broncos with a spent Manning, the Saints could win with Dalton.

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He has done that. He's also missed reads. Made poor decisions. Taken terrible sacks. Some bad ball placement as well. He's average QB no doubt he's apart of the problem as well.

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The Saints could win with Dalton. I agree with that. They just can't win with Carmichael as the OC and Dennis Allen as the head coach. We thought the continuity was good and we've seen that work with the Steelers. Unfortunately, this isn't working for us.

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Tomlin was not an in-house hire, FWIW.

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I really think the Saints are fortunate to have two young, talented WRs.

Olave and Shaheed.

4 targets / 4 receptions & a 40 yard kick off return vs Tampa.

In a limited role, 12 receptions for 240 yards (20 ypc)/1 TD - 2022.

The kid is balling as a rookie.

Side note - Olave will win the ROTY award.

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Taylor is a stud as well. Hopefully Trevor Penning can pan out as well.

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Oh Relly, you’re just mad that ol’ Crabby Patty isn’t the QB. Lol. Dalton hasn’t been bad at all. He’s just not going to light the world on fire. He was brought in as a backup. He’s been better than most in that same role that get tossed into the starting lineup.

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I'm not mad that Jameis isn't the QB but I know avg QB play when I see it. All the stat padding like Trevor Siemiean with a couple big throws here and there. When it counts when it matters the most Andy Dalton is not leading this team No better than Jameis if not worse. I don't deal with facts from one side unlike some of you I look at the whole picture do I agree Jameis shouldn't have lost his position to injury? Absolutely especially when the guy replacing you is 3-7 since he's taking over and one of those games he just handed the ball of most of the game. I said he's avg we agree there. But he's been in position to win games for us and have not came through AT ALL. Jameis first and only win unfortunately was a 4th quarter comeback. Make all the BS Jameis jokes all you want Andy Dalton is still mid.

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Andy is not capable of carrying a team to victory. Should you have to do it every game NO. You should be able to do when the opportunity arises to close out games Andy is as inept as the OC n HC.

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How delusional can you be Andy hasn't been bad at all? At all? He hasn't been better than most. He's 4-9 if play was better than most the team would be better than most. Jameis was injured missed the pre-season. What's Dalton excuse?

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You are wasting your time. If Winston had the stats and record that Dalton had they would be calling for his head and saying he sucks and is trash. I could be wrong but I truly believe that we would have a few more wins because of the big play potential.

Both are average but somehow Dalton gets a pass and Winston doesn’t. At this point what does it hurt to try something different…

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They both make mistakes. However, Dalton does not throw as many interceptions. He isn't flustered with a pass rush, Dalton actually knows how to read a defense and find his check down valve if necessary. I had hoped that Winston could replicate the performance under Sean Payton. Apparently, Dennis Allen has seen enough to realize that Dalton gives us a better chance. Maybe not the best chance of winning but better than we would with Winston. It's unfortunate and I had hoped that Winston would play better.

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Kinda off topic but I see former Saint FS Marcus Williams with another INT on Mitch Trubisky.

He’s a legit center fielder with range.

I was hoping the Saints retained his services. Oh well 🤷🏼

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I remember a large percentage of Saints fans that wanted Williams gone claiming he was a defensive liability and couldn't tackle. I wasn't among them, but they were a very vocal number.

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Keeping Marcus Williams would have been great, but the Saints did the right thing by letting him walk due to his salary demands. IMO, FS is generally a position best not to break the bank on, and in most situations is easy to find suitable replacements through the draft or mid tier free agency. Of course the talent evaluators must do a better job and not bring in almost washed up guys named Honey Badger...