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Sinner 12-06-2022 12:36 PM

DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
As a long-time Fan of both the Game, and our Team, I have to say that it's getting harder to keep swatting at symptoms of causes that remain unclear.

After what I witnessed last night, my suspicions that we have a "Management Problem" were both solidified and reframed, by realizing that this beloved game may indeed be rigged. For me, that's a huge bummer on top of a bummer.

I don't know how our front office couldn't have seen this season (and perhaps a few more seasons) coming, while Drew Brees was in decline and Sean Payton was on his way out, without being better prepared for this, or how a Game could so precisely turn and unravel like (literally) clockwork, down to the last 3 seconds... or if in fact, there is some nefarious marketing mechanism that dictates and drives the modifications and media narratives of rises and falls in the league, and our players (all "players") might just be participating in a big "Show" in the "Entertainment Industry".

I am saying that I just don't know. Heading into a week without Saints-Football is both a curse, because I LOVE watching my Saints, week after week, no matter what the outcome... and a blessing, because I really don't know how much more of this "Game" I can take.

mapcow 12-07-2022 08:27 AM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
Excellent insight.

Sinner 12-07-2022 10:19 AM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 964786)
Excellent insight.

I so wish I was wrong.

saintsfan1976 12-07-2022 10:25 AM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
Mahomes at #10 and it all goes away.

Sinner 12-07-2022 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 964796)
Mahomes at #10 and it all goes away.

That name has always sounded like fun...

spkb25 12-07-2022 11:40 AM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
You stink. Michael thomas career is over. Kamara is getting old. You have agind talent, a terrible cap situation and no draft picks. I dont care if you have 7 picks, you lost a number 1 for nothing...again. bad management all day.

Youve got years of wallowing in **** coming

Maybe Malcolm Jenkins can cuss out a hall of famer again because he loves the black criminals and ****ting on a country that has afforded him the opportunity to earn millions through his hard work. And F Drew for being too much of a coward to stand up for what is right because he was afraid to lose his tv gig.

Wonder how Brittany Griner is enjoying the hospitality of other nations as opposed to the racist USA.

The Saints stink and so does the NFL. Quit watching and giving them your money. Many of you watch and give money to a business that does not rrpresent your values. Cowards.

Boston Saint 12-07-2022 12:05 PM

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Well, here’s my view of it. It’s tough to win any single football game much less maintain success. The combo of Brady/Billichik and maybe the Steelers under Tomlin (and Payton/Saints) are the exceptions.

Otherwise, all teams have had a few down years. Niners have lost two SBs but also had some crappy years. Since Manning’s Denver Win they’ve sucked. Carolina and Atl both lost SBs but and have had more crappy years than the Saints have. Green Bay still has won only once with Rodgers and has had some poor seasons. Rams took a while to win and suck this year. Some teams perennially suck despite trying. It’s tough to win.

Another thought is maybe they “saw things coming” but were limited in options. I think we would have taken Mahomes but KC beat us to it. Otherwise I think they were planning on Winston being able as a backup plan. He may have been successful without his Injury and Payton still as the coach. They were winning with him last year till he went down.

So, in summary, I’m not surprised to have a down year. Injuries, calls,
fumbles and coaching have all played a part in the record. Gotta see what comes of the future. Even Payton had losing seasons with Brees. I’m not throwing in the towel. Maybe Payton comes back. Maybe we get picks for him. Maybe we can trade Thomas…Maybe he and Kamara will play like their old selves for us next year. Maybe Allen is gone. Maybe he finds his stride with a healthy team and a QB he wants. He’s got young talented players at WR and CB to work with. First thing I’d do is try to sign Minshew and go from there. That’s just me.

K Major 12-07-2022 12:08 PM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 964796)
Mahomes at #10 and it all goes away.

Man.

Papa Voodoo 12-07-2022 12:23 PM

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Kamara dropped off big time. Big name FA acquisitions have not panned out at WR and safety. Injuries galore for 2 seasons. Quarterback carousel for 2 seasons. It's hard to win, this stuff makes it nearly impossible. Teams with consistent QB play and consistent health go to the playoffs.

K Major 12-07-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 964773)

After what I witnessed last night, my suspicions that we have a "Management Problem" were both solidified and reframed, by realizing that this beloved game may indeed be rigged. For me, that's a huge bummer on top of a bummer.

I thought this was worth a quick watch as it relates to bad officiating.

THE TIMESTAMP STARTS AROUND 8:10.

Boston Saint 12-07-2022 03:06 PM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 964805)
I thought this was worth a quick watch as it relates to bad officiating.

THE TIMESTAMP STARTS AROUND 8:10.

Just more media mouthpiecing for a fixed game.

rezburna 12-07-2022 03:22 PM

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Well next year we're $53 million above the cap which should be easier to navigate than this year was, lol. If Payton doesn't want to be here anymore we have to maximize the value for him via trade. From there we have to upgrade the left side of the offensive line. We need two, young running backs which can be found in the draft. You're going to need help at DE because Cam is aging and Davenport/Turner are always injured. There's a lo to do. It's gonna take a while, but we can win some games and be a good team in the process if managed right.

saintsfan1976 12-07-2022 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 964810)
Well next year we're $53 million above the cap which should be easier to navigate than this year was, lol. If Payton doesn't want to be here anymore we have to maximize the value for him via trade. From there we have to upgrade the left side of the offensive line. We need two, young running backs which can be found in the draft. You're going to need help at DE because Cam is aging and Davenport/Turner are always injured. There's a lo to do. It's gonna take a while, but we can win some games and be a good team in the process if managed right.

Does that $53MM take into account the new cap for 2023

SmashMouth 12-07-2022 06:11 PM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 964810)
Well next year we're $53 million above the cap which should be easier to navigate than this year was, lol. If Payton doesn't want to be here anymore we have to maximize the value for him via trade. From there we have to upgrade the left side of the offensive line. We need two, young running backs which can be found in the draft. You're going to need help at DE because Cam is aging and Davenport/Turner are always injured. There's a lo to do. It's gonna take a while, but we can win some games and be a good team in the process if managed right.

Coach Prime can manage that ... he'll land with his G5.

rezburna 12-07-2022 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 964811)
Does that $53MM take into account the new cap for 2023

I think that’s before the adjustment so we might be even better off.

rezburna 12-07-2022 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 964813)
Coach Prime can manage that ... he'll land with his G5.

He really broke my heart man. I was devastated. Still am really.

K Major 12-08-2022 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 964816)
He really broke my heart man. I was devastated. Still am really.

I initially thought he'd stay 4 years @ JSU.

It will be interesting to see how many kids enter the portal and follow him to Colorado. I'm pretty certain Travis Hunter is coming as well.

rezburna 12-08-2022 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 964837)
I initially thought he'd stay 4 years @ JSU.

It will be interesting to see how many kids enter the portal and follow him to Colorado. I'm pretty certain Travis Hunter is coming as well.

Yep. Travis already said he was transferring to Colorado. This really sent a huge ripple throughout the Black community. On that side of the algorithm the debates have been heated.

I definitely thought he'd give JSU 4 or 5 years. I never expected him to be there forever, but he definitely sold a dream of leading JSU into competing with the other FCS and Power 5 schools. Prime has been my favorite athlete my entire life. For me, he could do no wrong. I played football because of him. I wanted to be a corner since the age of 5 because of him. The way this transition was handled really hurt my heart.

Boston Saint 12-08-2022 01:24 PM

Re: DECIMATION, DENIAL, AND A BYE-WEEK
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 964861)
Yep. Travis already said he was transferring to Colorado. This really sent a huge ripple throughout the Black community. On that side of the algorithm the debates have been heated.

I definitely thought he'd give JSU 4 or 5 years. I never expected him to be there forever, but he definitely sold a dream of leading JSU into competing with the other FCS and Power 5 schools. Prime has been my favorite athlete my entire life. For me, he could do no wrong. I played football because of him. I wanted to be a corner since the age of 5 because of him. The way this transition was handled really hurt my heart.

Appreciate your thoughts and opening up rez. Watching him play against the Saints both for the Niners and Atl I could never get behind him as a player,
but I appreciated his game and ethic. He continued to display that in his post playing career.

Rugby Saint II 12-08-2022 01:50 PM

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I don't know how to utilize this weekend without a Saints game. I guess my liver could use a break.

K Major 12-08-2022 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 964864)
I don't know how to utilize this weekend without a Saints game. I guess my liver could use a break.

Careful brother :chug:

Sinner 12-08-2022 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 964864)
I don't know how to utilize this weekend without a Saints game. I guess my liver could use a break.

I'll be smoking/drinking less, and probably will lay off the aspirin...

iceshack149 12-08-2022 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 964864)
I don't know how to utilize this weekend without a Saints game. I guess my liver could use a break.

Come up! We'll go icefishing. (No guarantees on giving your liver a break...):chug:

iceshack149 12-08-2022 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 964805)
I thought this was worth a quick watch as it relates to bad officiating.

THE TIMESTAMP STARTS AROUND 8:10.

I can't watch it.
I don't want to watch it.
Okay. I'll watch it...
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