Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 965199)

So first off I am not saying this to slam Campbell or promote Allen. Campbell could easily be a better head coach than Allen. He probably is.

Im also not trying to be argumentative like Guido has accused me of being in the past. Im jut trying to present a different viewpoint. It’s something my Dad taught me about looking at things from multiple sides. I like discussions about football.

Campbell is doing well now and the lions have played well recently. But Campbell had 3 wins in his first year as HC. A downgrade from the previous year. The management decided to give him a second year. He started this season with a 1-6 record before recent success.

So my point is that even though he has won 5 of 6, I’m sure there were many fans screaming for his head during what was a 4-19 stretch going back to last year. People calling for Allen’s head should think about that, especially if you are touting Campbell.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 965200)

It is what it is brother.

Dennis Allen isn't a leader of men or knows how to motivate.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 965202)

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC :(.

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 965202)

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC :(.

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 965205)

FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 965199)

So first off I am not saying this to slam Campbell or promote Allen. Campbell could easily be a better head coach than Allen. He probably is.

Im also not trying to be argumentative like Guido has accused me of being in the past. Im jut trying to present a different viewpoint. It’s something my Dad taught me about looking at things from multiple sides. I like discussions about football.

Campbell is doing well now and the lions have played well recently. But Campbell had 3 wins in his first year as HC. A downgrade from the previous year. The management decided to give him a second year. He started this season with a 1-6 record before recent success.

So my point is that even though he has won 5 of 6, I’m sure there were many fans screaming for his head during what was a 4-19 stretch going back to last year. People calling for Allen’s head should think about that, especially if you are touting Campbell.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 965202)

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC :(.

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 965206)

What fact have I denied?