Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA?

saintsfan1976 · 12-14-2022, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just because Allen wasn't a "new head coach" doesn't mean that Loomis and company would be willing to hand over the same level of autonomy in decision making that Sean Payton earned over his 15 year tenure. I'm not saying he wouldn't have input, but deciding whether or not to give into player contract demands are likely far out of his current level of authority.

Who's assuming now?

K Major · 12-14-2022, 11:12 AM

SMDH ...

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Who's assuming now?

I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree?

saintsfan1976 · 12-14-2022, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree?

I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing....

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing....

I didn't change anything. That's what I've been saying all along in my discussion on the subject with dizzle. He asked the following:

"So my problem with that is then, who's making these decisions, if not Allen?

For the price we paid Mathieu and Maye, we could have just kept Marcus Williams, because neither of those players are anywhere near Marcus."

I guess you and Major missed out on that part earlier.

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:49 AM

I asked Nick Underhill about Allen's personnel authority.

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AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:54 AM

I can easily see Allen being asked about Williams and saying he would really like to bring him back, but then being told later they couldn't come to acceptable terms with the player. Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes," while Allen just has to live with that decision.

Sinner · 12-14-2022, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I can easily see Allen being asked about Williams and saying he would really like to bring him back, but then being told later they couldn't come to acceptable terms with the player. Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes," while Allen just has to live with that decision.

...Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes, while Allen just has to live with that decision."

THAT can pretty much sum up our entire season, and possibly a few more seasons.

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

...Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes, while Allen just has to live with that decision."

THAT can pretty much sum up our entire season, and possibly a few more seasons.

I agree that Payton will not be easy to replace ... if ever. Same can be said for Drew Brees.

Sinner · 12-14-2022, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I agree that Payton will not be easy to replace ... if ever. Same can be said for Drew Brees.

It's probably a lot easier than you'd think. Just gotta WANT TO.

12-14-2022, 11:08 AM	#81
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,540 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just because Allen wasn't a "new head coach" doesn't mean that Loomis and company would be willing to hand over the same level of autonomy in decision making that Sean Payton *earned* over his 15 year tenure. I'm not saying he wouldn't have input, but deciding whether or not to give into player contract demands are likely far out of his current level of authority. Who's assuming now? iceshack149 and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,056 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? SMDH ... iceshack149 likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Who's assuming now? I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree?

12-14-2022, 11:24 AM	#84
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,540 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree? I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing.... iceshack149 and K Major like this.

12-14-2022, 11:39 AM	#85
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing.... I didn't change anything. That's what I've been saying all along in my discussion on the subject with dizzle. He asked the following: "So my problem with that is then, who's making these decisions, if not Allen? For the price we paid Mathieu and Maye, we could have just kept Marcus Williams, because neither of those players are anywhere near Marcus." I guess you and Major missed out on that part earlier.

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12-14-2022, 11:49 AM	#86
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? I asked Nick Underhill about Allen's personnel authority. Dec 14, 2022 @AsylumGuido · Follow Replying to @nick_underhill @HardhideWhiskey and @BadeauxLaw @nick_underhill I have a question. Does Dennis Allen have the same level of decision making when it comes to personnel as did Payton? Did he have the say on Marcus Williams? Mathieu? Marcus Maye? Nick Underhill @nick_underhill · Follow He has say. He doesn’t have as much say 11:35 AM · Dec 14, 2022

12-14-2022, 11:54 AM	#87
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? I can easily see Allen being asked about Williams and saying he would really like to bring him back, but then being told later they couldn't come to acceptable terms with the player. Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes," while Allen just has to live with that decision.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I can easily see Allen being asked about Williams and saying he would really like to bring him back, but then being told later they couldn't come to acceptable terms with the player. Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes," while Allen just has to live with that decision. ...Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes, while Allen just has to live with that decision." THAT can pretty much sum up our entire season, and possibly a few more seasons.
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12-14-2022, 12:18 PM	#89
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by Sinner ...Payton may have been able to say, "I don't care. Do whatever it takes, while Allen just has to live with that decision." THAT can pretty much sum up our entire season, and possibly a few more seasons. I agree that Payton will not be easy to replace ... if ever. Same can be said for Drew Brees.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I agree that Payton will not be easy to replace ... if ever. Same can be said for Drew Brees. It's probably a lot easier than you'd think. Just gotta WANT TO.
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