A $50 million Turd

yasoon · 10-03-2005, 12:45 PM

I'll preface this by saying that Deuce is my favorite player...so bear that in mind. (I think I'm still capable of being objective.)

His feet don't seem to be that quick this year. The bounce out run late yesterday was the first time I've really seen him motor all year.

I'm not gonna put it all on the line...something is definitely not clicking beyond the blocking.

Having said that....I have not seen a nice, big hole all year. Deuce isn't as quick footed as alot of the runners in the league, so he needs a few yards to get a head of steam and get his shoulders squared. After that, he gets really hard to tackle. He seems to be getting hit really early, and though he can break tackles, I think he needs to get it going in order to do so.

I agree though, I've had a couple of guys say nice game Deuce, and I had to tell them that most of the yards came late. But...that's the model we're hoping for. We're really gonna need to be within 1 score (or leading) to pound the ball. Deuce does his damage late and we have to be IN the game for him to work.

Hopefully, the late runs were a sign of things to come.

Also, with regard to our O Line....Isn't it weird how solid the pass blocking appears to be, while the run blocking seems a bit scattered and sketchy? (We also need more traps and counters as opposed to running off tackle left, off tackle right.)

jrmllb · 10-03-2005, 09:13 PM

He was getting hit in the backfield alot, but I guess you failed to notice he was making it back to the line or better...can you ask for much more when your getting pounded in the backfield...I think deuce also missed out on not having the best blocking reciever in the NFL there on Sunday

lumm0x · 10-03-2005, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by yasoon

(We also need more traps and counters as opposed to running off tackle left, off tackle right.)

I couldn't have said that better. Our running game is one precitable rush play after another. They have no wrinkles in the rush scheming.

Like most I love Deuce, and fully agree things don't look perfect. I still haven't been able to convince myself that there is something wrong with him...I still believe that it's more the plays they are running and really the lack of our O-lineman making an initial chip and getting onto a backer that is the reason behind the lack of big rushes. Time and time again I see o-lineman lock on a tackler and get in a good block, but it's those secondary blocks after the initial line of scrimmage ones that make the big plays happen.

And yes.....I snuck my butt back in here.

BlackandBlue · 10-03-2005, 10:55 PM

Sad when a rookie is putting more linemen on their back than the rest of the line.

Hey old friend, where you been hiding?

lumm0x · 10-03-2005, 11:00 PM

I sneak a peek now and then. Just been keeping too damn busy to yak. I sure was in a good mood Sunday though and thought I'd drop in.

BlackandBlue · 10-04-2005, 12:25 AM

Do it more often.

What do you think about Brown?

CASaintsFan · 10-04-2005, 02:48 PM

They are running trap plays...in fact, a lot of those plays were simple guard traps with Karney lead blocking into the hole. They'd run that play left, and then right...the same damn play. In the 2nd half, one of the reasons they didn't score is because London Fletcher stalemated Karney and created a pile of bodies right in the hole. Finallly they started testing the outside late in the game. I agree, though, Deuce has looked a bit slower then usual.

lumm0x · 10-07-2005, 09:42 PM

B&B- my thoughts on Brown? Well I think he's been solid. He was jumpy early in the year when he faced Peppers and Strahan, but he's settled down now and is steadier. He hasn't been spectacular, but I'm very happy with him. As much as I think we have greater needs, can you imagine getting a top notch LT next draft like Brickashaw and then setting our OL up for the next decade with this crew? I didn't like the OL pick at the time this year admittedly, but I am having day dreams about it now for next draft....

saintswhodi · 10-08-2005, 06:08 PM

Although i'd live D'Brick lummox, my next draft day is calling for AJ Hawk or Jimmy Williams or Rod Wright or any other defensive player who is dominating college, outside of a safety. I think Eric Winston may be a good LT call up in the second round, or maybe Stinch really will be able to handle the duties.

10-03-2005, 12:45 PM	#11
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I'll preface this by saying that Deuce is my favorite player...so bear that in mind. (I think I'm still capable of being objective.) His feet don't seem to be that quick this year. The bounce out run late yesterday was the first time I've really seen him motor all year. I'm not gonna put it all on the line...something is definitely not clicking beyond the blocking. Having said that....I have not seen a nice, big hole all year. Deuce isn't as quick footed as alot of the runners in the league, so he needs a few yards to get a head of steam and get his shoulders squared. After that, he gets really hard to tackle. He seems to be getting hit really early, and though he can break tackles, I think he needs to get it going in order to do so. I agree though, I've had a couple of guys say nice game Deuce, and I had to tell them that most of the yards came late. But...that's the model we're hoping for. We're really gonna need to be within 1 score (or leading) to pound the ball. Deuce does his damage late and we have to be IN the game for him to work. Hopefully, the late runs were a sign of things to come. Also, with regard to our O Line....Isn't it weird how solid the pass blocking appears to be, while the run blocking seems a bit scattered and sketchy? (We also need more traps and counters as opposed to running off tackle left, off tackle right.)
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10-03-2005, 10:23 PM	#13
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Originally Posted by yasoon (We also need more traps and counters as opposed to running off tackle left, off tackle right.) I couldn't have said that better. Our running game is one precitable rush play after another. They have no wrinkles in the rush scheming. Like most I love Deuce, and fully agree things don't look perfect. I still haven't been able to convince myself that there is something wrong with him...I still believe that it's more the plays they are running and really the lack of our O-lineman making an initial chip and getting onto a backer that is the reason behind the lack of big rushes. Time and time again I see o-lineman lock on a tackler and get in a good block, but it's those secondary blocks after the initial line of scrimmage ones that make the big plays happen. And yes.....I snuck my butt back in here.

10-04-2005, 02:48 PM	#17
CASaintsFan Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6	They are running trap plays...in fact, a lot of those plays were simple guard traps with Karney lead blocking into the hole. They'd run that play left, and then right...the same damn play. In the 2nd half, one of the reasons they didn't score is because London Fletcher stalemated Karney and created a pile of bodies right in the hole. Finallly they started testing the outside late in the game. I agree, though, Deuce has looked a bit slower then usual.
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10-03-2005, 09:13 PM	#12
jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	He was getting hit in the backfield alot, but I guess you failed to notice he was making it back to the line or better...can you ask for much more when your getting pounded in the backfield...I think deuce also missed out on not having the best blocking reciever in the NFL there on Sunday

10-03-2005, 10:55 PM	#14
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Sad when a rookie is putting more linemen on their back than the rest of the line. Hey old friend, where you been hiding?

10-03-2005, 11:00 PM	#15
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	I sneak a peek now and then. Just been keeping too damn busy to yak. I sure was in a good mood Sunday though and thought I'd drop in.

10-04-2005, 12:25 AM	#16
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Do it more often. What do you think about Brown?

10-07-2005, 09:42 PM	#18
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	B&B- my thoughts on Brown? Well I think he's been solid. He was jumpy early in the year when he faced Peppers and Strahan, but he's settled down now and is steadier. He hasn't been spectacular, but I'm very happy with him. As much as I think we have greater needs, can you imagine getting a top notch LT next draft like Brickashaw and then setting our OL up for the next decade with this crew? I didn't like the OL pick at the time this year admittedly, but I am having day dreams about it now for next draft....

10-08-2005, 06:08 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Although i'd live D'Brick lummox, my next draft day is calling for AJ Hawk or Jimmy Williams or Rod Wright or any other defensive player who is dominating college, outside of a safety. I think Eric Winston may be a good LT call up in the second round, or maybe Stinch really will be able to handle the duties.