Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 965159)

Excuses excuses excuses. Your job is to build a winnable coaching team. Roster depth is apart of that. Next man up mentality can't happen if people don't believe the next man....Injuries are apart of the game. Losing players is a part of the game Proper preparation prevents poor performance. Steelers have always been good with having "starters in waiting" Chiefs lost players, Ravens lost players, Titans even started Malik once or twice, San Fran has played 3 different QBs. Everyone situation varies but everyone is impacted by Injuries nonetheless some teams Buccaneers had little to fall off in FA look at them. Excuses Excuses Excuses. Coaching is what failed this team. Decision making is what failed this team. Poor off-season acquisitions failed this team. The standard of Daints football dropped off alot. Players aren't sold and it shows. Is coaching the only issue? Absolutely not. It's definitely the biggest flag imo. If Andy was playing B+ or better football and the Defense was absolutely failing him wouldn't have no issues with him starting. Don't care about no PR or any of that you need QB that's going play mistake with in an offensive system or go out there and win you games. He does neither. Andy gets all the excuses in the world you guys were on Jameis so hard no slack when he was 5-2 , but support Andy from Toy story with his pitiful record. Tom Brady 4qtr comeback against just shows if there is an opportunity who's going to take it? Andy isn't that guy....Justin Fields beat him out of job who I don't believe is better but he's a PLAYMAKER has game changing tendencies. Andy is just there

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 965161)

Now that hurts.

Seriously though map, in what what am I arrogant? I am the one guy admitting I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 965163)

And finished with 4 wins once he went down. I’ve not said a single thing that’s not fact.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 965164)

Reasons, reasons, reasons.

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 965175)

So what's DA's excuse you're proving my point...keep going

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 965164)

Reasons, reasons, reasons.

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 965176)

You believe if this team were fully healthy they would be what? Team was pretty healthy first 3 games of the season, oh wait those were Jameis fault. Ok let's go week 4 and beyond. Show me the game where injuries were the SOLE cause...I'll wait for the answer or the deflection. I'll propose another question show me game we lost where coaching wasn't a factor in it. Playcalling was on Point players just couldn't make plays and some of you guys favorite #TheRefs

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 965178)

When you go $80 million over the cap or whatever going into every season you often can’t afford to reward great play with a respectable offer or take the short term cap hit to cut underperformers. Every move is dictated by cap considerations and players start to feel like just numbers whose achievements dont matter. So the Andrus Peat’s and Michael Thomas’ who fail to perform get restructed with extensions and more guarantees and guys like CGJ, Williams, and Armstead who do perform get shown the door because there is no cap flexibilty to do the right thing. That is why you can’t live on borrowed money, you kind of end up with a socialist system that does not reward success or punish failure. So Mickey Loomis’ cap management system imploding destroyed team morale when players saw the slackers getting rewarded. The loss of CGJ and the continued high salary of Andrus Peat are cancers to this team. CGJ wanted Peat money for 1000x better than Peat play and the coaches would not even talk to him about it so he got thrown away for scraps and every other player saw that and aspired to be like Peat, which is our 2023 team.

Dennis Allen is either a mediocre or poor coach depending on your judgement of circumstances but either way he is a downgrade from Payton.