Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

ahh...phuck it.. Lattimore & Kamara (thug) let em both sit the bench and collect. Just like the prima showed them how.... :rofl:

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

With the Las Vegas incident looming larger in the court system next year Kamara may not be that attractive for any trade partner. If it is just a late round pick I wouldn't take it.

When and if he is suspended next year and he's still a Saint then we'd better have a Good Power Runner to hold down the fort and then to pair with AK like Ingram used to.

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

Dead money....blah blah blah. Everyone should be made expendable if we are truly in the rebuild mode. Which we should be. If we have to suck for a while then we suck for a while. Half-assing it with unrealistic expectations is no way to go, and is what we are currently doing.

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

Why rebuild when our roster is loaded with really good players? Just for the **** of it?

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

Just need a Head Coach, and we could begin to bounce back!

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

Because of the ****ing results and that we are losing key players every offseason (hendrickson, williams, armstead) and because our oline is no good and because we need youth but can onky afford limps and war stories. Also we dont bave a qb, the picks to get one, the coaches to teach one, or the line to protect one.

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

As much as many want the Saints to rebuild, it simply cannot be done. Let's assume the projected number of minus 50 mil in salary cap holds true for 2023. What you need to look at now is cap savings for a particular player or group of players. The way the Saints have most of their contracts structured, that cap savings number is going to be a negative or close to an even number. Example if you release a player with a 20 mil negative number, now you are negative 70 mil in the hole. If you release a player with a small gain, like 1 mil, then you are at minus 49 but you are also removing a contract that can be converted from salary to signing bonus, thus taking away a player that can help you gain positive cap space.

A larger scale example, let's pretend the Saints want to rebuild the team, and they are currently 50 million in cap debt. Let's assume Peat, Kamara, Lattimore, Jordan, Mathieu, Hill, Thomas, and Davis are all under contract and these would be the targeted players to release/trade to facilitate a true rebuild. Let's assume their cap savings for 2023 are all at 0 and now they are all removed from the roster. We are still looking at a 50 million cap debt, now where is that cap space going to coming from with no contracts left to convert? (To my knowledge no one on the Saints roster has a large positive cap savings number if released/traded)

The Saints situation, they are probably in a position in 2023 to move on from maybe 1 or 2 big contract guys at the most, likely having to use a post June 1st designation.

I am be no means an expert, just my interpretation of what I found through some research. If anyone wants to research this on their own, a good reference is https://overthecap.com/

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

I don't know if you just simply ignore what's going on with other teams across the league, but virtually all of them lose players to free agency every year.

As for QB, you yourself I believe just pointed out the rarity of getting an "elite" QB with a first round pick anyway. We have the picks to get one, I believe we have the coaches to coach them, and once all of our offensive linemen are off IR, we have the offensive line to protect them.

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

You are correct. Another good source is Saints Spotrac.com

Re: Kamara or Lattimore Trade
 

I'd move Kamara before I moved Lattimore. The shelf life of a RB is short and they're plentiful. DB's are needed more and more in today's NFL. We really need Cam Jordan to retire and get some of that money off the books. I'd take the cap hit to move Peat and maybe even MT at this point.