SP Putting Together a Staff

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services.

Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value.

I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value.

I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.

If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.

The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?

The team set the price. That's why only some have qualified to interview him.

He's also the best HC available so yeah, they should ask for multiple 1st round picks.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

The team set the price. That's why only some have qualified to interview him.

He's also the best HC available so yeah, they should ask for multiple 1st round picks.

I agree. They should ask for multiple 1st rounders. It doesn't mean that the other team is ultimately willing to give them what they want. I also believe the reason why others DIDN'T qualify to interview is that under no circumstance did the Saints want him going to them (Panthers and Falcons). I have read others that feel like they'd be willing to take less if he was to go to the AFC. That make sense and I'd have to agree.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 10:14 AM

One more point on a mention earlier in the thread concerning player trades. Player trades were frozen for the league year on November 1st and remain frozen until after the end of the league year on March 14th. Therefore, the earliest date a player can be traded is March 15th.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I agree. They should ask for multiple 1st rounders. It doesn't mean that the other team is ultimately willing to give them what they want. I also believe the reason why others DIDN'T qualify to interview is that under no circumstance did the Saints want him going to them (Panthers and Falcons). I have read others that feel like they'd be willing to take less if he was to go to the AFC. That make sense and I'd have to agree.

I just can't see that myself. I am holding the best coach to become available in recent memory. The price is the price. Now, I could see where division rivals have to pay MORE, but not conference paying less.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I just can't see that myself. I am holding the best coach to become available in recent memory. The price is the price. Now, I could see where division rivals have to pay MORE, but not conference paying less.

Just repeating what I have heard recently by several former GM's. They have all said he would be totally off-limits to a division rival regardless of price and that they would settle for less out of conference if they were the Saints.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.

You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.

Unless there is more than one destination SP has interest in.

01-12-2023, 08:25 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services. Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value. I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.
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01-12-2023, 08:44 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,024 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value. I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two. If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time. K Major likes this.

01-12-2023, 08:57 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time. The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?

01-12-2023, 09:33 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,024 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance? The team set the price. That's why only some have qualified to interview him. He's also the best HC available so yeah, they should ask for multiple 1st round picks. iceshack149 and K Major like this.

01-12-2023, 09:47 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 The team set the price. That's why only some have qualified to interview him. He's also the best HC available so yeah, they should ask for multiple 1st round picks. I agree. They should ask for multiple 1st rounders. It doesn't mean that the other team is ultimately willing to give them what they want. I also believe the reason why others DIDN'T qualify to interview is that under no circumstance did the Saints want him going to them (Panthers and Falcons). I have read others that feel like they'd be willing to take less if he was to go to the AFC. That make sense and I'd have to agree.

01-12-2023, 10:14 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff One more point on a mention earlier in the thread concerning player trades. Player trades were frozen for the league year on November 1st and remain frozen until after the end of the league year on March 14th. Therefore, the earliest date a player can be traded is March 15th. saintsfan1976 likes this.

01-12-2023, 11:35 AM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,024 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I agree. They should ask for multiple 1st rounders. It doesn't mean that the other team is ultimately willing to give them what they want. I also believe the reason why others DIDN'T qualify to interview is that under no circumstance did the Saints want him going to them (Panthers and Falcons). I have read others that feel like they'd be willing to take less if he was to go to the AFC. That make sense and I'd have to agree. I just can't see that myself. I am holding the best coach to become available in recent memory. The price is the price. Now, I could see where division rivals have to pay MORE, but not conference paying less.

01-12-2023, 11:44 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I just can't see that myself. I am holding the best coach to become available in recent memory. The price is the price. Now, I could see where division rivals have to pay MORE, but not conference paying less. Just repeating what I have heard recently by several former GM's. They have all said he would be totally off-limits to a division rival regardless of price and that they would settle for less out of conference if they were the Saints.

01-12-2023, 09:13 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time. You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.

01-12-2023, 09:31 AM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,024 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton. Unless there is more than one destination SP has interest in.