SP Putting Together a Staff

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Players cannot be part of any transaction for the rights to a contracted coach.

And Payton will absolutely go where HE wants to go, not to where the Saints want him to go. They only have control over where they DON'T want him to go.

Sure. And if the Saints don't receive compensation that aligns with his value then they shouldn't release his contract.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Sure. And if the Saints don't receive compensation that aligns with his value then they shouldn't release his contract.

They absolutely have that option. But, it all comes down to whether they are willing to just sit on his contract for two more years and get nothing in return, or to accept whatever they can from the team Payton ultimately chooses. That team may not be in the market in the future.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They absolutely have that option. But, it all comes down to whether they are willing to just sit on his contract for two more years and get nothing in return, or to accept whatever they can from the team Payton ultimately chooses. That team may not be in the market in the future.

Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Doesn't prevent a player deal from happening.

No it doesn't. But it would be shot down by the league if they was any hint that there was some sort of relationship to the coach's transaction. The league office has vetoed Saints trades in the past for less.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services.

Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value.

I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value.

I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.

If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.

The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time.

You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.

Unless there is more than one destination SP has interest in.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?

The team set the price. That's why only some have qualified to interview him.

He's also the best HC available so yeah, they should ask for multiple 1st round picks.

01-12-2023, 09:11 AM	#121
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Players cannot be part of any transaction for the rights to a contracted coach. And Payton will absolutely go where HE wants to go, not to where the Saints want him to go. They only have control over where they DON'T want him to go. Sure. And if the Saints don't receive compensation that aligns with his value then they shouldn't release his contract. K Major likes this.

01-12-2023, 09:15 AM	#122
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Sure. And if the Saints don't receive compensation that aligns with his value then they shouldn't release his contract. They absolutely have that option. But, it all comes down to whether they are willing to just sit on his contract for two more years and get nothing in return, or to accept whatever they can from the team Payton ultimately chooses. That team may not be in the market in the future.

01-12-2023, 09:18 AM	#123
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They absolutely have that option. But, it all comes down to whether they are willing to just sit on his contract for two more years and get nothing in return, or to accept whatever they can from the team Payton ultimately chooses. That team may not be in the market in the future. Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services.

01-12-2023, 09:18 AM	#124
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Doesn't prevent a player deal from happening. No it doesn't. But it would be shot down by the league if they was any hint that there was some sort of relationship to the coach's transaction. The league office has vetoed Saints trades in the past for less.

01-12-2023, 09:25 AM	#125
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Obviously. So the sense of urgency increases, as should the compensation for his services. Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value. I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two.
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01-12-2023, 09:44 AM	#126
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yet, it remains a one on one negotiation. It may end up involving a 1st, but it may not. Or that 1st may not be a 2023 pick. It isn't a contrived "value" that sets the final parameters of the deal. It's actually the other way around. The final parameters of the deal will in the end define the actual value. I feel the Saints are going to be willing to take whatever they can get in the end. I don't see them refusing to deal with any team outside of the division. Supposedly they have been contacted by five teams and only given three permission to talk with Payton. I'd bet Carolina and Atlanta were the other two. If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time. K Major likes this.

01-12-2023, 09:57 AM	#127
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time. The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance?

01-12-2023, 10:13 AM	#128
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 If you own one of the most valuable assets on the market and you "take whatever you can get", you deserve to lose for a long time. You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton.

01-12-2023, 10:31 AM	#129
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are assuming there is an open market available to the Saints. There isn't. There is a market for Payton. Payton has the ability to shop around for the best deal. The Saints do not have that option. They are limited to a single customer chosen by Payton. Unless there is more than one destination SP has interest in.

01-12-2023, 10:33 AM	#130
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SP Putting Together a Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The market sets the price. If the team that Payton chooses refuses to offer more than a 2nd rounder then that isn't on the Saints. They have limited leverage. What would you propose they do in that instance? The team set the price. That's why only some have qualified to interview him. He's also the best HC available so yeah, they should ask for multiple 1st round picks. iceshack149 and K Major like this.