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Old 12-26-2022, 08:01 PM   #1
 
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Saints Draft Revisited Over The Years

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In light of the current turmoil with the Saints, let's begin with SP's first year as Saints HC.
2006 - Out of the park draft
2007 - Forgetable year
2008 - Average at best
2009 - Average - Jenkins did come back
2010 - Better than average - All Woods is still playing for another team
2011 - Above average - Cameron is still doing it
2012 - Forgetable year - Hicks developed too late
2013 - Better than average year
2014 - Average year
2015 - Average year
2016 - Outstanding draft
2017 - Outstanding draft
2018 - Average year
2019 - Better than average year
2020 - Better than average
2021 - Too early to really tell. If you put a gun to my head, I'd say better than average
2022 - Too early to tell also, but it's looking outstanding.


The Saints have shined in UDFA talent over the years. You have to overcome the bad drafts they had. Still, it's doesn't take much to rise to the top given good talent. Bad personnel decisions for whatever reason have cost the Saints dearly. i know... i KNOW... it's not that easy. We're mere armchair fans. But as we are now mired in the midst of the worst year in recent memory, we need all there draft picks we can muster from a SP trade to another team. It'll help us both for an infusion of new talent which we need, and also for cap purposes as we rid ourselves of the dead weight.

Glass is half full, WhoDats !

Here's our Spotrac

It's scary just how much dead weight we carry. Take a looksie at the 2022 and 2023 numbers.

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Old 12-26-2022, 09:25 PM   #2
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Jeff Ireland has finger prints on some of the latter years. Just wish some of those 2 fers would have turned out to be complete game changes. Not a one has been consistant.
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I think you are inflating grades. Clearly some of our drafts have been below average too. When you dont hit on any big impact players its not a win.

2018 we traded up for Marcus davenport who never put it all together. And we paid a ton to move up for him. Behind him we took trainwreck smith and a bunch of camp cuts. That is a poor below average draft.

2020 our first round pick was a guard/center who stunk it up for 2 years and is now starting to look like he might be a serviceable starter as his contract year approaches. And beyond him we got baun who has seemed to be a bust and trout man who screws up in crunch time and occasionally starts seeming alright and then gets hurt and beat out by an undrafted converted receiver. And we made only 4 picks and the last was a spite pick who we camp cut.

Overall what i see is too few picks because of too much trading up and trading for rental players and not enough trading back and trading away rental players. We need to hit on stars and we are not taking enough shots. We made some great mid round picks meanwhile we under value the draft capital to make such picks and waste too many on gadget qb and te types. Also i think some make tbe mistake of acting like when we trade future picks to move up its worth extra credit but the next year when we dont have those picks they grade on a curve. In reality essentially half of Marcus Davenport was our 2018 1st rounder and half was our 2019 1st rounder and for both drafts thats half of flashes and not much. 5 pro bowlers were drafted in the 6 picks after davenport. Has we not traded up, 5 pro bowlers were taken in the 15 picks after our original first round slot including lamar jackson. Davenport never made a pro bowler. That was a bad draft.


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Old 12-27-2022, 09:55 AM   #4
 
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I think you are inflating grades. Clearly some of our drafts have been below average too. When you dont hit on any big impact players its not a win.

2018 we traded up for Marcus davenport who never put it all together. And we paid a ton to move up for him. Behind him we took trainwreck smith and a bunch of camp cuts. That is a poor below average draft.

2020 our first round pick was a guard/center who stunk it up for 2 years and is now starting to look like he might be a serviceable starter as his contract year approaches. And beyond him we got baun who has seemed to be a bust and trout man who screws up in crunch time and occasionally starts seeming alright and then gets hurt and beat out by an undrafted converted receiver. And we made only 4 picks and the last was a spite pick who we camp cut.

Overall what i see is too few picks because of too much trading up and trading for rental players and not enough trading back and trading away rental players. We need to hit on stars and we are not taking enough shots. We made some great mid round picks meanwhile we under value the draft capital to make such picks and waste too many on gadget qb and te types. Also i think some make tbe mistake of acting like when we trade future picks to move up its worth extra credit but the next year when we dont have those picks they grade on a curve. In reality essentially half of Marcus Davenport was our 2018 1st rounder and half was our 2019 1st rounder and for both drafts thats half of flashes and not much. 5 pro bowlers were drafted in the 6 picks after davenport. Has we not traded up, 5 pro bowlers were taken in the 15 picks after our original first round slot including lamar jackson. Davenport never made a pro bowler. That was a bad draft.


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You're not wrong, BakoSaint.

If we're to analyze the reaches in the first, meaning trading two number ones for a player, historically it''s been a mixed bag and really not worthy of the price tag.

Johnathan Sullivan was a disaster.
Ingram became a player eventually but took too long to develop. I mean, c'mon, he was a Heisman winner. Worthy number 1 but not two number 1s.
Davenport is the same. Good player when healthy, but not worth moving up for.
Turner is looking like a similar move.
Olave looks like the real deal and a worthy move up.

We've had real stinkers before SP in move ups.

We have a decent core of guys, nonetheless. DA's first draft is looking good. We need all the picks we can get from a SP trade to overcome the deficiencies we've set ourselves in, meaning not just players but cap situation as well.
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Olave, Penning, and Taylor was a good start for Dennis Allen draft wise. We need interior offensive line help big time moving forward. I'd worry about that more than a QB. The 49ers and Eagles are giving us a pretty good blueprint of what you can accomplish when you give a QB an elite offensive line and excellent weapons.
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It seems the team leadership often thinks we are "one player away". Then they make a desperate deal to go try to get that player. Sometimes it works (Olave), sometimes it doesn't (Davenport).

But this isn't basketball. No team is one player away. If you consider how good Saints have been at hitting on late round and undrafted players, you will realize more draft picks would give us a better chance to get quality players.

This year's draft is going to sting a bit.
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Old 12-28-2022, 10:09 AM   #7
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Playing devils advocate here (just for fun)...

Does any team have a great draft every year? I can't think of any, but I'm sure one of you guys would know.

Yes, we seem to have been in win now mode for too long, and yes some of those move ups are questionable. But, unless the guy you want falls right to you, which isn't often, ya gotta make moves.

Again, just for fun.
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Originally Posted by stickman View Post
Playing devils advocate here (just for fun)...

Does any team have a great draft every year? I can't think of any, but I'm sure one of you guys would know.

Yes, we seem to have been in win now mode for too long, and yes some of those move ups are questionable. But, unless the guy you want falls right to you, which isn't often, ya gotta make moves.

Again, just for fun.
New England used to be considered that team that got many draft picks right but over the last ten years they seem to have been sub par.

This years draft for the Saints seems to have been solid without Payton's influence. One could argue that's a factor. Signs point to Ireland being a big reason for doing well in drafts for the Saints so maybe the next draft will be a great draft even without a pick in the first round.
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2014 class ... outside of B Cooks, terrible draft selections.

Baptiste
Fortt
Sunseri
Powell
Rooks

Ryan Pace missed ... a lot.
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2014 class ... outside of B Cooks, terrible draft selections.

Baptiste
Fortt
Sunseri
Powell
Rooks

Ryan Pace missed ... a lot.
Yikes.
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