See THAT ^^^ is one "core position" that a lot of Fans aren't ready willing or able to face, let alone hold. Easier to swat at symptoms and blame our losing on injuries, mistakes, practicing on bad turf, refs, whatever - than to demand that root causes be addressed. The root causes cover all the symptoms, but too many Fans can't seem to accept that fact.

Those "too many fans" are not obsessed with what you feel is a fact. It is what it is, Sinner. There is nothing you can say or do that can change that fact no matter how many times a day you gripe about it in a forum.

I am truly sorry that you do not appear to get any enjoyment out of our Saints. Personally, I cannot wait for game time and after the game is over, win or lose, I know I have been graced by being able to follow my Saints and have had varying moments of excitement regardless of the outcome.

See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter.

I see you have no true understanding of my "core position". However, you have continuously ran yours into the ground by attempting to shove it down everyone's throats numerous times a day for months. That's what I mean by wasting my time and effort. I'm not sure what audience you are trying to reach, but it surely isn't anyone that can make your dreams come true.

See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter.

Our experience definitely matters to NFL managements. That's why the Saints are investing $750 million is stadium upgrades to further improve the gameday experience. On the other hand, our viewpoints, not so much. On certain topics the fan viewpoint can be relevant (bathroom and concessions wait times, etc.), but when it comes to football operations, the viewpoints of some fans are mostly likely seen as meaningless when balanced against the viewpoints of the industry experts.

As I said, I DO SEE your position clearly. It obviously gives you comfort to blame "forces outside the team's control" while we segue into the post-season watching OTHER TEAMS, who have outside forces under their control, continue to try to WIN for their Fans, as much as for "industry experts".

It's a bitter pill to swallow. I know, I was there for years. If it makes you feel better to watch all this talent and heart and spirit go to waste and blow games in a $750 million upgraded stadium, you'll have a good time next season. No doubt.

And if we do suffer another year of the unprecedented injury of piss-poor management, coaching and conditioning, at least bathroom and concessions wait times will most likely be upgraded.

WHO DAT!

This is true, but I for one will not blame it on piss-poor management, coaching and conditioning. I'll put the blame where it shines most brightly. Improved conditioning would not eliminate the vast majority of key injuries we have encountered. I'll give you coaching, or more accurately playcalling and game planning on the offensive side of things. That supposedly piss-poor management has lost no more than seven games in a given year since 2004. Not many franchises in the league can claim that degree of consistent relevance.