We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB

WW_Who_Dat · 01-04-2023, 08:26 AM

Not following Bako because you cannot have a reasonable conversation on his core positions … Not worth the energy.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Not following Bako because you cannot have a reasonable conversation on his core positions … Not worth the energy.

Don't blame you. I've periodically done the same but end up opening him back up again hoping for different.

BakoSaint · 01-04-2023, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Not following Bako because you cannot have a reasonable conversation on his core positions … Not worth the energy.

My core position is that Mickey Loomis is a washed up GM and we need to rebuild. Your core position is that he a good GM and we are poised to win it all next year if we max out the cap and trade up. Our core positions are opposite, and I don’t see you moving on yours either.

Sinner · 01-04-2023, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

My core position is that Mickey Loomis is a washed up GM and we need to rebuild. Your core position is that he a good GM and we are poised to win it all next year if we max out the cap and trade up. Our core positions are opposite, and I don’t see you moving on yours either.

See THAT ^^^ is one "core position" that a lot of Fans aren't ready willing or able to face, let alone hold. Easier to swat at symptoms and blame our losing on injuries, mistakes, practicing on bad turf, refs, whatever - than to demand that root causes be addressed. The root causes cover all the symptoms, but too many Fans can't seem to accept that fact.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

See THAT ^^^ is one "core position" that a lot of Fans aren't ready willing or able to face, let alone hold. Easier to swat at symptoms and blame our losing on injuries, mistakes, practicing on bad turf, refs, whatever - than to demand that root causes be addressed. The root causes cover all the symptoms, but too many Fans can't seem to accept that fact.

Those "too many fans" are not obsessed with what you feel is a fact. It is what it is, Sinner. There is nothing you can say or do that can change that fact no matter how many times a day you gripe about it in a forum.

I am truly sorry that you do not appear to get any enjoyment out of our Saints. Personally, I cannot wait for game time and after the game is over, win or lose, I know I have been graced by being able to follow my Saints and have had varying moments of excitement regardless of the outcome.

Sinner · 01-04-2023, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Those "too many fans" are not obsessed with what you feel is a fact. It is what it is, Sinner. There is nothing you can say or do that can change that fact no matter how many times a day you gripe about it in a forum.

I am truly sorry that you do not appear to get any enjoyment out of our Saints. Personally, I cannot wait for game time and after the game is over, win or lose, I know I have been graced by being able to follow my Saints and have had varying moments of excitement regardless of the outcome.

See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter.

Our experience definitely matters to NFL managements. That's why the Saints are investing $750 million is stadium upgrades to further improve the gameday experience. On the other hand, our viewpoints, not so much. On certain topics the fan viewpoint can be relevant (bathroom and concessions wait times, etc.), but when it comes to football operations, the viewpoints of some fans are mostly likely seen as meaningless when balanced against the viewpoints of the industry experts.

Sinner · 01-04-2023, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Our experience definitely matters to NFL managements. That's why the Saints are investing $750 million is stadium upgrades to further improve the gameday experience. On the other hand, our viewpoints, not so much. On certain topics the fan viewpoint can be relevant (bathroom and concessions wait times, etc.), but when it comes to football operations, the viewpoints of some fans are mostly likely seen as meaningless when balanced against the viewpoints of the industry experts.

As I said, I DO SEE your position clearly. It obviously gives you comfort to blame "forces outside the team's control" while we segue into the post-season watching OTHER TEAMS, who have outside forces under their control, continue to try to WIN for their Fans, as much as for "industry experts".

It's a bitter pill to swallow. I know, I was there for years. If it makes you feel better to watch all this talent and heart and spirit go to waste and blow games in a $750 million upgraded stadium, you'll have a good time next season. No doubt.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter.

One more point here. I understand griping. I have had some gripes about Carmichael's playcalling, but I know there's nothing I can do about it. It's actually improved the past three games, however.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

My core position is that Mickey Loomis is a washed up GM and we need to rebuild. Your core position is that he a good GM and we are poised to win it all next year if we max out the cap and trade up. Our core positions are opposite, and I don’t see you moving on yours either.

I see you have no true understanding of my "core position". However, you have continuously ran yours into the ground by attempting to shove it down everyone's throats numerous times a day for months. That's what I mean by wasting my time and effort. I'm not sure what audience you are trying to reach, but it surely isn't anyone that can make your dreams come true.

01-04-2023, 08:26 AM	#1
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Not following Bako because you cannot have a reasonable conversation on his core positions … Not worth the energy.

01-04-2023, 08:43 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Not following Bako because you cannot have a reasonable conversation on his core positions … Not worth the energy. Don't blame you. I've periodically done the same but end up opening him back up again hoping for different.

01-04-2023, 12:00 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Not following Bako because you cannot have a reasonable conversation on his core positions … Not worth the energy. My core position is that Mickey Loomis is a washed up GM and we need to rebuild. Your core position is that he a good GM and we are poised to win it all next year if we max out the cap and trade up. Our core positions are opposite, and I don’t see you moving on yours either. Sinner likes this.
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01-04-2023, 01:16 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by BakoSaint My core position is that Mickey Loomis is a washed up GM and we need to rebuild. Your core position is that he a good GM and we are poised to win it all next year if we max out the cap and trade up. Our core positions are opposite, and I don’t see you moving on yours either. See THAT ^^^ is one "core position" that a lot of Fans aren't ready willing or able to face, let alone hold. Easier to swat at symptoms and blame our losing on injuries, mistakes, practicing on bad turf, refs, whatever - than to demand that root causes be addressed. The root causes cover all the symptoms, but too many Fans can't seem to accept that fact.
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01-04-2023, 03:23 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by Sinner See THAT ^^^ is one "core position" that a lot of Fans aren't ready willing or able to face, let alone hold. Easier to swat at symptoms and blame our losing on injuries, mistakes, practicing on bad turf, refs, whatever - than to demand that root causes be addressed. The root causes cover all the symptoms, but too many Fans can't seem to accept that fact. Those "too many fans" are not obsessed with what you feel is a fact. It is what it is, Sinner. There is nothing you can say or do that can change that fact no matter how many times a day you gripe about it in a forum. I am truly sorry that you do not appear to get any enjoyment out of our Saints. Personally, I cannot wait for game time and after the game is over, win or lose, I know I have been graced by being able to follow my Saints and have had varying moments of excitement regardless of the outcome. Sinner likes this.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-04-2023, 03:45 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Those "too many fans" are not obsessed with what you feel is a fact. It is what it is, Sinner. There is nothing you can say or do that can change that fact no matter how many times a day you gripe about it in a forum. I am truly sorry that you do not appear to get any enjoyment out of our Saints. Personally, I cannot wait for game time and after the game is over, win or lose, I know I have been graced by being able to follow my Saints and have had varying moments of excitement regardless of the outcome. See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter. iceshack149 likes this.
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01-04-2023, 03:57 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by Sinner See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter. Our experience definitely matters to NFL managements. That's why the Saints are investing $750 million is stadium upgrades to further improve the gameday experience. On the other hand, our viewpoints, not so much. On certain topics the fan viewpoint can be relevant (bathroom and concessions wait times, etc.), but when it comes to football operations, the viewpoints of some fans are mostly likely seen as meaningless when balanced against the viewpoints of the industry experts.

01-04-2023, 04:34 PM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Our experience definitely matters to NFL managements. That's why the Saints are investing $750 million is stadium upgrades to further improve the gameday experience. On the other hand, our viewpoints, not so much. On certain topics the fan viewpoint can be relevant (bathroom and concessions wait times, etc.), but when it comes to football operations, the viewpoints of some fans are mostly likely seen as meaningless when balanced against the viewpoints of the industry experts. As I said, I DO SEE your position clearly. It obviously gives you comfort to blame "forces outside the team's control" while we segue into the post-season watching OTHER TEAMS, who have outside forces under their control, continue to try to WIN for their Fans, as much as for "industry experts". It's a bitter pill to swallow. I know, I was there for years. If it makes you feel better to watch all this talent and heart and spirit go to waste and blow games in a $750 million upgraded stadium, you'll have a good time next season. No doubt.
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068

01-04-2023, 04:33 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by Sinner See, the thing is, I SEE your position clearly, as I have felt the same way for years and years, through the ups and downs. To "gripe" is absolutely natural in a Fans Forum, ESPECIALLY during a season like this one. If the outcome (WINNING) wasn't important, the game wouldn't exist. That fact doesn't require your obsession, in order for it to exist. If there truly is nothing that a Fan can say or do to change that fact, then we would have to at least admit that as customers and loyal fans, our viewpoint and experience doesn't matter. That's a bitter pill to swallow, and no amount of singing "Kumbaya" can make it any sweeter. One more point here. I understand griping. I have had some gripes about Carmichael's playcalling, but I know there's nothing I can do about it. It's actually improved the past three games, however.

01-04-2023, 03:09 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB Originally Posted by BakoSaint My core position is that Mickey Loomis is a washed up GM and we need to rebuild. Your core position is that he a good GM and we are poised to win it all next year if we max out the cap and trade up. Our core positions are opposite, and I don’t see you moving on yours either. I see you have no true understanding of my "core position". However, you have continuously ran yours into the ground by attempting to shove it down everyone's throats numerous times a day for months. That's what I mean by wasting my time and effort. I'm not sure what audience you are trying to reach, but it surely isn't anyone that can make your dreams come true.