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QBREES9 01-15-2023 06:37 PM

Re: Potentially Available QB's for 2023
 
Skylar Thompson, Garrett Minshew, or Draft Stetson Bennett.

rezburna 01-16-2023 08:51 AM

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Gardner Minshew proved himself to be mediocre.

Skylar Thompson just went 18 for 45 with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle at WR.

Andy Dalton is 35 years old and on the tail end of a career that was average at best.

Stetson Bennett is another 5’11” QB that’s going to need Drew Brees level intellect and accuracy to work in the league.

CJ Stroud is the top QB for me. Hendon Hooker is someone I’m very comfortable with us drafting.

Jimmy Garoppolo can be a good placeholder. We could make a move for Carr. Without a new offensive coordinator it won’t matter.

AsylumGuido 01-16-2023 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 967515)
Gardner Minshew proved himself to be mediocre.

Skylar Thompson just went 18 for 45 with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle at WR.

Andy Dalton is 35 years old and on the tail end of a career that was average at best.

Stetson Bennett is another 5’11” QB that’s going to need Drew Brees level intellect and accuracy to work in the league.

CJ Stroud is the top QB for me. Hendon Hooker is someone I’m very comfortable with us drafting.

Jimmy Garoppolo can be a good placeholder. We could make a move for Carr. Without a new offensive coordinator it won’t matter.

I was really down on Carmichael all season myself. Unless he experiences some come to Jesus moment and learns to use the pass to set up the run he should be gone. We ran on 1st & 10 and 2nd & 10 more than any team in the league and every defense we faced knew we were going to do just that. Even the great Sean Payton would have trouble keeping a drive alive with 3rd and 10 staring him in the face more often than not.

I must say, however, things started looking up the last four games with better utilization of both Kamara and Taysom. Not enough to save his ass as far as I'm concerned, but improvement nonetheless.

Hard no on Thompson, Minshew, AND Dalton, as well.

saintsfan1976 01-16-2023 09:20 AM

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The pursuit of Watson showed this franchise is intent on fixing the QB of the future.

The move away from Jameis shows he's not in the plans.

Sticking with Dalton signals he'll be here next year as the bridge.

Guys, I don't think any fringe-starter QBs are in the mix. I think it's either 1. Big name QB (ala lamar) or 2. Drafting a QB top 10

K Major 01-16-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 967515)

Jimmy Garoppolo can be a good placeholder. We could make a move for Carr. Without a new offensive coordinator it won’t matter.

:bng:

saintsfan1976 01-16-2023 10:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 967515)
Gardner Minshew proved himself to be mediocre.

Skylar Thompson just went 18 for 45 with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle at WR.

Andy Dalton is 35 years old and on the tail end of a career that was average at best.

Stetson Bennett is another 5’11” QB that’s going to need Drew Brees level intellect and accuracy to work in the league.

CJ Stroud is the top QB for me. Hendon Hooker is someone I’m very comfortable with us drafting.

Jimmy Garoppolo can be a good placeholder. We could make a move for Carr. Without a new offensive coordinator it won’t matter.

That last statement.

AsylumGuido 01-16-2023 11:01 AM

Re: Potentially Available QB's for 2023
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 967515)
Gardner Minshew proved himself to be mediocre.

Skylar Thompson just went 18 for 45 with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle at WR.

Andy Dalton is 35 years old and on the tail end of a career that was average at best.

Stetson Bennett is another 5’11” QB that’s going to need Drew Brees level intellect and accuracy to work in the league.

CJ Stroud is the top QB for me. Hendon Hooker is someone I’m very comfortable with us drafting.

Jimmy Garoppolo can be a good placeholder. We could make a move for Carr. Without a new offensive coordinator it won’t matter.


Rugby Saint II 01-16-2023 12:31 PM

Re: Potentially Available QB's for 2023
 
We could wait a few years for Manning to declare. But that would mean we need to bring in a solid veteran quarterback to hold down the fort for the next few years.

BakoSaint 01-16-2023 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 967552)
We could wait a few years for Manning to declare. But that would mean we need to bring in a solid veteran quarterback to hold down the fort for the next few years.

Whoever has the #1 overall pick will take Manning. Nobody could live down passing on the heir apparent a family dynasty of 3 elite QBs. So, if we want Manning we can't hold down the fort with a solid veteran. Rather we need to go full rebuild. What this could like is using all our cap to clear bad contracts and aging players not add new ones, move Peat, Thomas, Hill, Maye, Kamara, etc, trade our current draft picks for future year draft picks such as other teams 1st rounders the year Manning will come out, and go with a very risky young QB where we could hit the lottery but probably we will lose a ton of games, such as Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, or Jordan Love.

I am not saying it has to happen this way. We could give 100% in 2023-2025 and just have a lot of bad injuries in 2025, but if we find a solid QB and win 8 games in 2025 we are not getting Arch Manning unless we own the right other teams 1st round pick before the draft. Almost no team would trade that pick away, and if one would, the price would be dehabilitating.

Another approach is to hand the reigns to very risky but high upside young QBs from the late 1st round or second day in 2023-2025. If we find the next Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts then great. If we don't we might get Manning or another very high draft pick QB. If we settle for a solid known ok veteran QB we don't have the upside of the next Jackson or of the next Manning.

AsylumGuido 01-18-2023 11:55 AM

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Rugby Saint II 01-26-2023 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967745)

Yes please!

AsylumGuido 01-28-2023 05:04 PM

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AsylumGuido 01-28-2023 05:06 PM

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Woohoo! Maybe another Ian Book!


SmashMouth 01-29-2023 10:43 PM

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Rell&Gold 01-30-2023 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 966621)
I'm not supporting Dalton as our 2023 starter, K, but one must look at the lack of health of the offensive line and the playcalling of the offensive coordinator when evaluating the QB.

That said, Dalton does have the second best QB rating of his career this season (95.3 - the 11th best in the NFL this season) and has completed 67.1% of his passes, a career high and the 9th best in the NFL.

Once again, I hope we get something better, but Dalton has clearly well outperformed my expectations this season.

Those numbers are nothing without context. Overrated.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 968553)
Those numbers are nothing without context. Overrated.

No doubt, Rell! My eyes from the stands told me he wasn't the answer. Neither were the backups starting on the offensive line or the backups dropping passes.

SmashMouth 01-30-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 968456)

Don't look now... Ian Book is headed to the SB.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968579)
Don't look now... Ian Book is headed to the SB.

As long as they don't need him to take a snap. ;)

K Major 01-30-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968579)
Don't look now... Ian Book is headed to the SB.

Lol.

Don't look now but so is Ceedy D :p !

In another post, I stated that the Saints need to get better at DT. See Philly's defensive front (Cox, Suh, & Hargrave).
They beat up Purdy and knocked out Josh. Monster group up front.

Adding a proven pass rusher in Hassan Riddick paid off in a big way as well.

Games are won in those trenches. Specifically in the postseason.

Saints have work to do if they ever want to get back to the big dance.


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