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We may not win next season but we will have a better chance if we can connect with an aggressive offensive coordinator who calls his own plays. It's always good to know that you're here though sharing your negativity again. What was it that made you feel so poorly towards life in general?

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Probably started the day the :dunce: was born.

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I can't speak for mapcow, but I can guess that among other things, the way we "finished" this sorry season AT HOME, against a QB that threw for 43 yds, no TDs and 2 interceptions... While people come on here still happy with our "Management"... That might have something to do with it.

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Naw. The :dunce: has always been nothing more than a troll. As for our management, I personally am happy with Loomis/Hartley and Jeff Ireland, not that it matters what I feel. I'm definitely not a fan of Carmichael and Allen is what he is. Knowing that there's nothing I can do personally one way or another I'll continue to do my best to continue to do all that I can do and that is simply to support my Saints through thick and thin.

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You have already made it clear that you are personally happy with our "Management" - and I have made it clear that I am not. You've also made it clear that you believe that the DEDICATED FANS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with decisions made (or not made) that will directly effect the FANS' EXPERIENCE, even as you continue to drop $15 grand each season and drive for five hours to sit there and view something that you have no control over.

Part of supporting our team through thick and thin, is in DEMANDING that Management does whatever it takes to WIN. It had BETTER matter what you/we feel, or they're just fleecing you of your hard earned money and precious life-force. THE FANS DESERVE BETTER - MUCH BETTER than what we just witnessed/experienced, and being perfectly happy with what we saw this season, is masochistic.

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Some Saint "fans" just have low expectations I suppose :rolleyes:.

Simply being ok with beating the likes of Atlanta twice a year, missing the postseason, and guys underperforming. No fire from these pitiful coaches.

Mediocrity. Sad :brood:.

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"No fire from these pitiful coaches." <--- The way you use the words "No fire"...
No one fired... Hmmm...

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Demand away if it makes your Life Force happy, Sinner. It will have zero impact upon who is manning the coaching positions, or GMing positions, of the Saints.

If for some reason Gayle decides to totally clear house and hire all new everyone then I'll live with that and it won't change my support for my Saints one iota. I know none of us has any impact on who's running the show so I'll continue to not let it have any negative affect upon my Life Force moving forward.

:bng:

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Nope. Not okay with it. I never once said I was. I hope for better. I will continue to wait and see what, if anything is done, one way or another. It's all I can do. It's all ANY of us can do. Constantly *****ing and moaning about it does nothing more than bruising one's own Life Force.

(Thanks, Sinner, I like the Life Force nomenclature!) :D

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From one dedicated Fan to another, I thank you for continuing to publicly display how your continued support of the Status Quo, enables it to continue. Just as with the "politics" of anything, your action$ $peak louder than words.

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Excuse me? When have I said that I am in favor of the status quo? I have said that I am in favor of Loomis, certainly. I have also said that I'd like to see Carmichael replaced. But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens.

:cool:

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My "Life Force" nomenclature is derived from Martial Arts, where the "enemy" is allowed to exhaust all of its negative energy, which we pretty much devoted this past season to - But then that enemy must be neutralized, before it can do any further damage. Your spilling 15 grand on season tickets, driving for 5 hours while wearing the Black and Gold, only to get punched in the face repeatedly, and then drive silently back home, again and again and again, while believing yourself to be powerless to have any effect on the outcome, is not the proper use of the "Life force" nomenclature.

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I believe I have a better understanding of my Life Force than do you, Sinner. It is my business if we worked our asses off for our whole lives that spending $5K on season tickets and $10K on lodging and other expenses is no large investment and gives us joy. And for your information, I do not drive home in silence again, and again, and again as you erroneously surmised. I spent the first leg of the trip this past Sunday not only in silence because of the outcome, but more so because I knew it was the final game of the season and it wouldn't be until next preseason that we would have the chance to experience the atmosphere of Saints football in the Dome. There were also late games on NFL Radio to make the time pass quicker.

And, not only do I know for a fact that I personally have no ability to affect the outcome of any off-season decisions, but I am also positive that you or any other fan have no ability to affect those outcomes, either. Believing you do is nothing more than lying to yourself. I don't fault you for wishing for those outcomes, nor wanting those outcomes. I don't disagree with many of those wants, either.

If any of those desires of yours truly do come about it will be solely because it was the desire of those that truly have the ability to make the decisions. That is a fact.

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"But mainly I have said that my (or your) wishes and desires have no impact on what will actually take place this off-season, therefore, I'll wait and see what happens."

THAT ^^^ is known as "Victim Fetish".

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No. It is being grounded in reality, my friend. :D It is not wasting negative energy on futile dreams.

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In ANY OTHER FIELD OF ENDEAVOR, ANY ONE... if the customer is dissatisfied, the service provider is obligated to make any and all necessary adjustments to bring satisfaction. Your satisfaction (complacency) with what has just transpired, culminating in you just happily sitting back to "see what happens", tells your service provider (Team management) to "Just keep doing what you're doing". I cannot thank you for that.

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Once again, Sinner, I applaud you for wanting what you want for our Saints. I would be pleased with much of it myself. But believing that you can personally assist in bringing about any of the changes yourself is ... I really can't even label it, honestly.

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Yeah, right. You just keep thinking that, Sinner. Gayle's going to really lose sleep over your personal dissatisfaction. :D

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Again, in a world where "the customer is always right", you being a satisfied customer DIRECTLY tells the Team Management to continue to take your money (and Life Force) while continuing to insult the rest of us. Your continued affirmations of your powerlessness, is exactly what gives us all another season of disappointment.

You can simply label it the Supply and Demand of "Business Ethics", or Quantum Physics if you like. You get exactly what you demand.

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Nope, you do not get exactly what you demand. :rolleyes: There's nothing I can do or say that affects the Saints success or failure. That, my friend, is a fact. A fact that you refuse to acknowledge. So be it. Have fun with your wishes. I wish you luck!

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YOU are the one with the wishes. I am the one who is telling you to vote with your wallet. One of us is practical.

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Keep dreamin', buddy, that you will make a difference. Your visions of somehow affecting the decision making of an NFL owner and his or her front office is as far away from practical as one can get.

That said, I don't trust any fan to really know what they are talking about. If I was an owner I certainly wouldn't listen even by the miracle that some random individual fan's voice was even heard.

But you get right up there on the mighty soapbox and scream away if it makes you feel better.

Oh, and you have no right to tell me what to do with my wallet. :rolleyes:

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If you were the owner, no fan would have to tell you what this season looked and felt like. But they COULD show you, by cancelling their paid subscription to more insult, and maybe by hitting you in the pocket where it hurts, we'd get a new owner.

See, you're showing loyalty to a dysfunctional family and a failing business model, the rest of us are showing loyalty to THE SAINTS, preferably WINNING.

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Keep dreamin'! LOL!

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Keep that "Haslett (or Allen) in the Headlights" stare going strong.

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As a former season ticket holder present at THE NFCCG, I can say that giving up on the NFL was one of the best decisions I ever made.

Financially, it was worth about $10,000 a year.

Emotionally, it is great not giving a damn about a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game.

It is also great not planning some of the finest weather weekends of the year around traveling to New Orleans or cooped up in some sports bar for away games.

I have a lot of fond memories. I attended the very first Saints game in Tulane stadium. I was born 13 days later. My entire family have been Saints fans since 1967 or since birth. Most still are but I have checked almost completely out. I follow this board out of nostalgia and to be able to talk with my Mom about current Saints events. She can't give it up.

Giving up on investing time and treasure in the Saints may not matter to the NFL or the Saints organization but you might enjoy life more.

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Never said I'd miss Allen if he was shown the door, did I? All I've said is that I am well aware that my personal wishes for any decision that the Saints can make has zero impact upon what they choose to do, just as your personal wishes have the same level of impact.

And don't try to feed me the failing business model bullcrap. In the last decade and a half or so the value of the Saints franchise climbed from $1.004 billion in 2014 to $2.285 billion in 2021. Over the last year the value of the franchise has climbed by the largest percentage in its history to $3.375 billion!

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I respect your choice, gumbeau. While you were in the womb I was just moving to Louisiana as a nine-year-old and found out my new state was getting a brand new NFL team. I've been a fan ever since and back in 2015 my wife and I put our names on the season ticket list. Fifteen years later we finally got the call and haven't looked back. I know we've had a tough transition from the Brees and Payton era and have faced a couple of years of the worst injury laden times I can ever remember, but I am confident things, one way or another, will start looking up again.

And I'm right there with your mom. I can't give it up. It has been far too much of a part of my life for the last 55 plus years.

:bng:

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"Over the last year the value of the franchise has climbed by the largest percentage in its history to $3.375 billion!" <<<--- THAT!!! That shows me that something really fishy is indeed going on in the Sports/Entertainment Industry, or that YOU indeed define "value" as: fat cats gettin fatter, while the loyal Fan-Base gets fleeced and insulted, or all of the above. THAT is what defines a "BAD" business model. Thanks for showing us the twisted psychology behind it, and by contributing to it with your hard earned dollars and Life Force.

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You are losing it, Sinner. You're starting to sound as crazy as Bako. Or that other :dunce: that is supposedly still trolling.

As that renowned philosopher once stated ...

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Totally relaxed. Just not under hypnosis.

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Same here, my friend.

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I know i do! It's a good feeling not to be controlled by Theater disguised as sport. I watch through a "Let's see if I can spot the fix" lens now. Start paying attention to the players body language on the sidelines. Some are really bad at hiding their feelings.

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A WHOLE 'nother conversation. ^^^ One that definitely takes the piss out of the hypnosis.

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I was at the NFCCG too and have been much more hesitant to spend big money attending nfl games since then, but I still follow my team.

I don’t think minor diffences in voting with my wallet will make a big difference to the nfl but it might make a difference to my wallet.

I don’t think the nfl is fixed but i think it is biased. I think refs know that uncle roger has some golden boy teams and some black sheep teams and if they lean a bit on the scales and be sure not to let those degenerate black sheep teams get away with any hits while making sure not to be too hard on those golden boy teams who have the best intentions, that when a position opens for head of officiating or other plum assignments, their name will be high on the list. I think that having that bias, they also dont like being called on it and having their authority questioned, so when a team and its fans see their abuse and complain their bias only grows.

I don’t think my individual opinion effects the Saints personnel decisions but I think everyone on this site shares opinions and it would be pointless to join this site if all you ever say is ‘keep doing more of the same.’ So this is a place to vent. But if we all start venting about the same things and a Saints coach or GM ends up about as popular as Roger Goodell in New Orleans that might move the needle to firing them. Loomis may be safer than many foreign dictators from the effects of public opinion but he is not invulnerable if he keeps it up and gives Shaheed to Philly for a 5th and throws in our 2024 1st rounder.

Anyway it may not take my persuasion to get rid of Loomis. He has the look of a hard drinker. In the draft he likes to take big risks and ignore health concerns, if he has similar tastes in the bedroom that could get him some viruses. Mix the two and there is some risk of liver problems. So maybe the Loomis problem will solve itself.

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Not to interupt the sniping, but ...

Sam Darnold won with:
5-15 passing,
43 yds,
0 TD's,
2 INT's,
and... wait for it.... a QB rating of 2.8! (which has to be a record somehow!)

To paraphrase Jack Nicholson's Joker: This Team needs an Enema!
https://i.redd.it/2pp9bmlufwk11.jpg

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Our run defense needs to be bolstered too. Vs the Panthers we gave up 171 rushing yards and 10 rushing first downs.

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The loss of Broadcasting, Corporate Sponsorship and Merchandise $$$$ would have to happen for any impact to be felt from the loss of the average fans $. The money the NFL claims to have lost in 2020 was the Revenue Sharing which is the splitting of the $$$$$$$$$$$ from ticket sales, parking, food ect. The owners lost their "Pocket Money" that year.

From Yahoo Sports concerning 2020: "The bulk of the revenue decline was absorbed by the individual teams, who couldn't benefit from sales revenue tied to tickets, parking and concessions or local sponsorships during the pandemic."