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The white pants jinxed the Saints and Lutz.

Forgetable and winnable game that somehow DA managed to lose as the game manager. Does he deserve another shot to continue? That'll be open for debate for the next few weeks. Many think not.

Game ball to NO ONE !

Glad the season is beyond over. Time to reassess and get some help, wherever that may be, even coaching.

Let's hope and pray for a mega SP sweepstakes truckload of picks to help us rebuild.

Who Dat! :bng:

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Have we seen the last of Andy Dalton and Jameis?

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Hopefully the last of these white pants !

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Pitiful finish. I don't see how next season will be any better.

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Hopefully they are one of many.

Lutz, Davenport, Payton Turner, Andrus Peat, Pete C and Dennis Allen.

I'd welcome a move on from them as a minimum.

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Brace yourself, it could get worse in 2023.

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Can't get rid of Peat. He'll get picked to go to the Pro Bowl whether he plays 2 games during the season or not.

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Would have preferred a win but there should no doubt that the offensive coordinator position has to be addressed … From system to play caller.

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Clean some house. Start with dumb a$$ Alan and get a real HC and let him bring in fresh minds and evaluate the current staff. Time to get rid of these hot tub players and their high dollar contracts. We need draft picks. Trade Kamara and as much as it pains me to say Davis( he's worth a mint) and grab a kings ransom in picks for Payton. Any good coach could turn this around with current roster with dropping the dead weight. And get Carr.

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Said the same tang. Ugly AF.

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And Smith and Callaway who are the most useless receivers in the NFL.

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We score 40 wearing Color Rush UNI’s today. In these weenie white tights, we were doomed from the start.

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Give Allen one more year, but we need to bring in another OC ASAP!

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I agree Cheramie. This defense played balls to the wall the final 2 months of the season and that is DA’s trademark. Get him a great, not good, OC, draft a top QB and fill the middle of the D Line. I would love to see what this secondary can do with a full season together. Remember we had a number of years of unbelievable offensive football and bad defense under Peyton until he got coordinators who could do the job. DA just needs it on the other side.

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I still don't know about DA as head coach. The man is 15-38 as a head coach. Just don't think he has what it takes. Great DC, but not head coach material and probably never will. Just think about it. We get him a great OC, which we need to btw, and we win. Is it the OC or him winning games? All in all I enjoyed part of the season. The rookie WR impressed. Still love our D. Need a QB asap. On to the off season!

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No offense but what are y’all expecting to see with “one more year” in Allen??

The man doesn’t have a clue as Head Coach.

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Swept by the Panthers and the Bucs this year, and both of those teams have losing records. Say it ain't so.

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Not enough of the Hill, Dalton one-two punch. Lutz missed 2.. that is the win. Finally Kamara decided to play.

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THAT REALLY HAPPENED... AT HOME! Against a QB who threw for 43 yards, ZERO touchdowns and 2 interceptions..... What a way to end this season.

Ready for more of this next year? WHO DAT?

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Thanks for an entertaining, yet disappointing season. You were in almost all of the games (including this one) The Tampa loss was a lot to swallow. But, hey, there has only been one worse season this century, and there was alot to cheer for. Thanks saints! Been here since the beginning, and Ill be here when they put me in the ground. We were about 2 pick 6s away from the play offs. All things considered, disappointing but not paper bag bad. Can’t wait till next year.

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-Misses on Davenport, Turner, Penning and Ruiz has really hurt the team. A #1 has to have impact.
-They counted on Winston to progress and be dynamic. He just isn't.
-Dalton is a solid NFL backup. Not a starter on a non-playoff team.
-Thomas and Peat do not deserve their salaries. Take the cap hit and move on.
-Give Lutz some competition next camp.
Draft a QB and play him.
-Find a pending RB to pair with Kamara.
-At the very least shake up the offensive staff.

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Penning, a "miss"???

Winston only needed to be the same, not better. Certainly not worse.

Agree on others

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Congrats to Chris Olave.

1k season as a rookie.

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It seems like about half of first rounders miss. Thats football. But that is why you dont trade two first rounders for one and draft anraw prospect like Davenport who had proven neither ability nor durability against high level competition.

Penning is not neccessarily a miss yet but injury in first year makes him more likely to end up a miss. But in another sense we paid a lot in future picks to trade for a second first rounder in 2022 to ‘win now’ and we definitely missed on ‘winning now’ with Penning contributing nothing ‘now.’ We would have been much better off to skip the trade with Philly, and throw in an extra 4th rounder or something to trade up for Olave from 18 instead of 16, and still have a 1st rounder in 2023 and a 2nd rounder in 2024.

I think it would be the right thing to move on from Kamara just Like Carolina moved on from McCaffery. By the team we are ready to compete for a ring not just a token playoff appearance he will be too old. Unfortunately the looming suspension clouds his value. It may be best to trade him at the deadline after his suspension. To prepare for that it would be best to avoid restructuring his contract in a way that makes the cap hit to trade prohibitive.

We also need to realize that almost winning our division may not be a plus. We were 7-10 in a historically weak division. This is worse than being 7-10 in a strong division, because divisions do not tend to stay historically weak 2 years in a row. We might have been 6-11 or something in a better division. The way things work our division will likely get harder next year. The Falcons and Panthers will have lots of cap space and draft picks. They will improve at QB. It will still likely be a weak division but history says it will get harder, which does not favor the two older teams with no cap space.

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So far Penning is a miss at LT, his run blocking is excellent but he is struggling big time with pass blocking. If he doesn't improve real quick he will need to be moved to guard.

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A miss? He hasn't even had an opportunity to play. How can he be a miss? He was injured in the preseason. This past game was his only start of the season. Before that he only saw 66 offensive snaps all season with most of those coming a sixth "eligible receiver" lineman.

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Before his injury in preseason, he did not effectively handle the pass rush, and keep in mind this was against reserves and guys who did not make final rosters. He hasn't shown in his limited action during the season that he is much better at it yet. During the Carolina game he got burned, it didn't happen more because Carolina wasn't all that aggressive and Dalton only threw 25 passes. With that said, he is a complete beast as a run blocker and looks to already be on an all pro level with that part of his game.

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Once again, virtually all of his action during the season was in heavy sets (six man lines) on running situations. He was never in any standard pass protection assignments at all. As for preseason, it is nothing more than glorified practice sessions learning the "new to them" pass blocking schemes. Mistakes are to be expected.

I wouldn't expect a seasoned coaching professional to make ironclad evaluations from the sideline on a rookie's abilities based upon that tiny sample size, not to mention a fan sitting at home watching a handful of plays on his or her television set making the same attempt.

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I've shared my opinion a few times about him, nothing has changed so far. There is an expectation as a high round pick to be something more than what he has shown. He doesn't look quite as bad as Peat did when they drafted him to be a right tackle, but it's pretty close. Additionally, if you dig around at different scouting report sources, many had concerns about his pass blocking, it is seriously not me just watching this crap on TV.

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Go back and watch the presser when he took took the position. He was asked something along the lines of how long has he waited or thought about being a head coach again.

He replied that he doesn't think about the future. This is why he will never be a successful head coach in the NFL.

What I am seeing is that there is a premise that he is either a new head coach or new to the organization. Typically people new to an organization take the first year to asses what they have before they start making changes which is why they get a second year to implement. Dennis Allen is not a new HC nor is he new to the Saints so he just pissed away his rebuild year.:bng:

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"so he just pissed away his rebuild year." <--- Just pissed away OUR year as well. And many Fans are ready to sit through another one.

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Yeah. I know. I've seen you post the exact same opinion about him several times as early as during the preseason. None of which have been based on any substantive evaluation as a pro. He hasn't shown much because he hasn't had an opportunity to show much. He's played less than a single game! I've seen people foolishly jump the gun labeling a player after only one full season as this or that, but you have been labeling him with the same description since preseason. And those "scouting report sources" have seen no more than you have since he was drafted.

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If he's still here next season I'll damn well sit through it. If he's not here I'll also sit right there through it. Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over.

I'm just looking forward to every step of the off-season and to whatever happens with the team between now and the preseason. I'm going to continue to find as much pleasure as I can in following the team that I have followed for 55 plus years and take everything else in stride.

I am anxiously awaiting any coaching changes and any current player decisions. I am optimistically looking forward to free agency and the draft. I am looking forward to the final schedule being released so we can begin planning our trips to NOLA for all of the home games. I am looking eagerly forward to all of the good things to do with my Saints in the coming year!

Who Dat!

:bng:

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"Guess what? You and I don't have anything to do with it. I'm not going to waste my time and energy worrying about anything I have zero control over."

^^^ Guess what? YOU and I have EVERYTHING to do with it. Without the FAN - the CUSTOMER, the DEMAND... There would be no Sport. So you go ahead and look forward to sitting back and having your Life Force pissed away, while multi-millionaires take it all in stride. At least you'll know that you have EVERYTHING to do with that. The rest of us will DEMAND EXCELLENCE (imagine that)

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Ravens just made Roquan Smith the highest paid LB in NFL history for some reason.

I'm reading that fans think they won't be able to keep Lamar Jackson due to this move.

Maybe our chance to get him and make up for taking Davenport instead.

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Demand all you want. It has no affect. If Gayle wants Loomis, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Loomis wants Allen, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. If Allen wants Carmichael, he stays regardless of what a fan wants. Etcetera. The real demand remains because the vast majority of fans wants one thing ... games to watch and/or bet on.

My Life Force carries on strongly whether we go 7-10 or win the Super Bowl. I choose not to let anything piss away my Life Force, even if it is something I love as much as my Saints. I'll still drop $15K plus every year to attend games. I'll still spend hours a days checking the "wire" for any news on my beloved team. I'll still throw on any one of my many Saints shirts in the morning and run my errands repping my Black and Gold.

Someday I hope that you too can capture the same sort of passion that can save you wear and tear on your Life Force and still give you the joy of having something special to follow cheerfully ... win, lose, or draw.

Who Dat!

:bng:

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Our piss-poorly-coached team lost the last game of this piss-poor season AT HOME - to a QB that threw for 43 YDS and ZERO TDS and 2 INTERCEPTIONS. You saw it (and evidently enjoyed it) with your own eyes. My passion is to see my team WIN. We're different kind of Fans. "You and I don't have anything to do with it" is the most ridiculous thing a Fan could possibly say.

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I enjoyed the opportunity to see my Saints. I did curse at the fans at one point for starting the stupid assed wave while we had the ball in the 4th quarter. I called Dalton a couple of names on some lame assed throws. I was irritated several times at Dalton, in fact.

Yet, I was there in the stands and sat in silence at the end for a bit before we trucked out to the car and started our five hour journey back home. I drove the first hour and a half being unable to say a word to my wife. We just drove in mutual silence. I then moved on and have continued moving on as life insists. I know I can only control what I can control. It doesn't prohibit bitter disappointment, but it allows me to keep my Life Force strong and healthy.

Yes, I suppose we are different kinds of fans. We may both have the same love for our team but are different in the way we process those things over which we have no control.

I wish you and your Life Force well.

:beer:

:bng:

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it will not be.... :beatnik:

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It will......:beatnik: