Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints?
 

He “retired “ for a year. But why not come home so to speak. Nothing but open arms would be welcoming him back. And he knows that.

So my question is, why doesn’t he want to come back?

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Because he was part of the team that left the roster in a mess, constantly needing to restructure injured/aging players to get under the cap. Starting the year 50ml plus in the hole isn't exactly a great starting point.

He was part of the brains that neglected QB successor for years, and left the team needing to give away the 2023 number 1(11th) pick to make sure they got a top WR the year before. Look at the draft picks from 2012 onwards, outside of 2017 is hardly a roaring success. He was a major part of overspending and keeping the band together and as far as i'm concerned as soon at them chickens came home to roost he jumped ship and wanted nothing to do with trying to rebuild the team. One tough year after he loses his HOF QB and thats it, he jacks it all in. Had he just gone the year before we actually had a good HC and DC in house, he him staying on when it was obviously on his mind to walk meant the team got left with Allen and lost Campbell and Glenn

Jump ship,sit out a year and waiting to walk into a good set up with a QB in place

Im actually amazed people would want him back.

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Yes exactly.

But this is not a unique flaw.

The Rams have done the same and now Sean McVay is suddenly burnt out and has an interest in broadcasting. Watch him retire, wait a year, and take the Chargers job.

Tom Brady saw the Patriots depleted, over the cap and with no other weapons on offense, so he went to Tampa who were a mile under the cap with lots of young high draft picks, and he took advantage.

Harbaugh had some recruiting violations that any college coach can get, so he bails back to the pros. It might work out, because Pete Carroll did the same and won a superbowl.

I think Payton is a good coach but will not suceed long term as his own GM. He needs a good forward looking patient GM but has too much ego to share power with one.

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He needs to come back with an empty garbage truck.

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16 years with the same franchise.

The man is human.

New chapters. New challenges. New perspectives. All motivating factors.

I'm glad we had him as long as we did.

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My guess is his new old lady does not want to reside in NOLA anymore.

We need to get all the picks we can get for his trade. Texans just became numero uno as they just fired their coach and they have the draft capital.

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Someone here stated "there is no bidding war for head coaches".

I think that if there are 2 or more franchises SP is willing to join then, yes there certainly should be an element to that for New Orleans.

I hope it happens in Houston!

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Yeah, I'm sure someone said something a few months ago. Sounds like the players think he quit on them.

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Players are probably ready for a new chapter, Coach P is probably ready for a new chapter. Probably largest sector of people wanting to get the band back together are the fans, and we really don't know 10% of what we think we do. New start for everyone at this point is the only logical option.

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Not throwing shade, just stating facts. He simply said there's always going to be change. So very true.

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What's the greatest sports quote of all time....."Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! Thank you to the great Jim H. Same applies here imo. Something that special can and will never be duplicated, accept it for what it was, a glorious memorable moment of a lifetime. Falcons have 28-3, Hawks have the goal line pic and we have a Lombardi. Oh what a great moment in history.

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I feel like we were blessed to have Sean Payton come in and take us to the heights where we enjoyed continued success. We did have some down years due to Sean Payton's loyalty with his old coaches. However, he fixed that and brought us back to the playoffs on a perennial basis. His last year coaching had to be pure hell and I don't blame him for retiring.

I'm very glad that he has done well in broadcasting. It was time for a fresh start elsewhere when he went into broadcasting, and now it's time for that fresh start again with a new franchise back in coaching.

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If we do that can it just please not be with Allen?

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The marriage is over.

Good run though 😉.

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Let's all move on and get a QB in here.

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SP wouldn't be moving on had he been successful in getting Mahomes here.

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If given the choice of having 2006 Sean Payton back or 2006 Drew Brees back I am taking Drew all day. This is the reason I believe we attribute a lot of success to Sean that should actually be attributed to Drew.

Here is another litmus test. Which statement is more true?

• Drew Brees, Hall of Fame Quarterback.
  
• Sean Payton, Hall of Fame Coach.

Sean left because that is his way of running from the reality that he was a car on the Drew Brees train and not the other way around.

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Interesting thought... in 2017 a slightly different draft and we would be set.

Move up one in the first and Mahomes, pick Deshaun Watson instead of Lattimore...

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I agree with you on this for the most part but I do feel like drew wouldn’t have been what he was hadn’t it been for Sean. I’d bet that if we would’ve got Mahomes then we’d remain a top tier team with maybe another Super Bowl and possibly put Sean in hall of fame conversation

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Went back and looked at that draft again and man we nailed that draft. Despite that, I wish we could have drafted one of those qbs

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I understand your reservations, chicken vs egg is a dilemma isn't it..:chug:

Maybe this helps. One could easily argue that Brees and Mahomes are similar talents and either would be successful anywhere they go. Sean on the other hand has yet to show that he can do anything notable without Drew. Does Sean get credit for getting Drew into a Saints uniform? Undoubtedly. Is Sean responsible for Drews success, I cant give him that one and if we believe that Drew would be successful anywhere he went then that would include a New Orleans Saints without Sean Payton. All of my roads are still leading back to Drew Brees.

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Good points. Who would you say is a great coach without a good qb in todays NFL?

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I may define great coach differently than others and was about to just say that I thought Sean Payton was a great coach but as I think about my criteria I am having second thoughts. Sean Payton was a successful coach as evident by his record, and a Ring. A great coach surrounds himself with a talented coaching staff, instills discipline in his team and expects it from the coaches he manages. A great coach is a great strategist, great judge of talent, knows how to utalize the talent on his roster, and has succession plans in place for attrition. A great coach is the backbone of the organization.

When I consider what went on under his nose, he is kind of a leadership sh1tshow.. Bounty Gate, Vicodin , the pitiful array of position coaches we have, essentially having a roster full of QBs but no QB, and quite a few other examples; I can not give Sean that title. Successful yes, great... not so much.

In his year of suspension he told the team "Do your job" but he didn't really walk that walk while the Saints HC.

Like him or not, Belichick is a good example of a great coach regardless of record, McVay is very good as well,

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Gotcha. I was under the impression from your original statement that Payton wasn’t a great coach because he had no quality qb to make him successful, but your points in your elaboration are valid. I still think he’s a great coach despite that. I actually agree that Belichick is a great coach as well despite the record. It shows that even the best in todays NFL struggle without great qb play. Although I will say that a top notch defense can go a good ways as well

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There is something to be said for Drew Brees being replaced by Philip Rivers after his first contract. He did not become Drew Brees as we know him until Sean Payton molded him. I have read Sean Payton's book "Home Team" and it is very insightful. I'm pretty sure Drew Brees acknowledges that Sean took him to the next level. That is a very important factor when deciding on a head coach.

Let's look at this from several different angles. Sean Payton took the Saints from a laughing stock franchise to a perennial winner. He evaluated the staff from the cafeteria workers to front office personnel and clearly put his thumbprint on the future of the franchise coming in. He has led us through hurricanes, covid, devastating injuries, and has fought hand to hand with Roger Goodell.

He gave us everything he had and even went through a divorce while he was here. It was time for a change and I'm not upset that he left in the least. I don't blame him for the position the Saints are in now. That finger should be pointed elsewhere.

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No argument here. :bng:

BB sill knows the rule book better than anyone. That little nugget sliver alone nets us TWO berths into SBs since those two miracle plays then don't exist.

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Most likely not, but this does have some logic behind it.

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I would welcome Sean Payton back with open arms. If he could lead us to another Super Bowl victory he would ensure his place in the Hall of Fame. Of course, if he took another team to the same place he took the Saints to, then he is a definite shoe in for the Hall of Fame.