Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints?

4everSaint · 01-08-2023, 10:13 PM

He “retired “ for a year. But why not come home so to speak. Nothing but open arms would be welcoming him back. And he knows that.

So my question is, why doesn’t he want to come back?

lee909 · 01-08-2023, 10:37 PM

Because he was part of the team that left the roster in a mess, constantly needing to restructure injured/aging players to get under the cap. Starting the year 50ml plus in the hole isn't exactly a great starting point.

He was part of the brains that neglected QB successor for years, and left the team needing to give away the 2023 number 1(11th) pick to make sure they got a top WR the year before. Look at the draft picks from 2012 onwards, outside of 2017 is hardly a roaring success. He was a major part of overspending and keeping the band together and as far as i'm concerned as soon at them chickens came home to roost he jumped ship and wanted nothing to do with trying to rebuild the team. One tough year after he loses his HOF QB and thats it, he jacks it all in. Had he just gone the year before we actually had a good HC and DC in house, he him staying on when it was obviously on his mind to walk meant the team got left with Allen and lost Campbell and Glenn

Jump ship,sit out a year and waiting to walk into a good set up with a QB in place

Im actually amazed people would want him back.

BakoSaint · 01-09-2023, 12:46 AM

Yes exactly.

But this is not a unique flaw.

The Rams have done the same and now Sean McVay is suddenly burnt out and has an interest in broadcasting. Watch him retire, wait a year, and take the Chargers job.

Tom Brady saw the Patriots depleted, over the cap and with no other weapons on offense, so he went to Tampa who were a mile under the cap with lots of young high draft picks, and he took advantage.

Harbaugh had some recruiting violations that any college coach can get, so he bails back to the pros. It might work out, because Pete Carroll did the same and won a superbowl.

I think Payton is a good coach but will not suceed long term as his own GM. He needs a good forward looking patient GM but has too much ego to share power with one.

Sinner · 01-09-2023, 01:01 AM

He needs to come back with an empty garbage truck.

saintsfan1976 · 01-09-2023, 08:01 AM

16 years with the same franchise.

The man is human.

New chapters. New challenges. New perspectives. All motivating factors.

I'm glad we had him as long as we did.

SmashMouth · 01-09-2023, 10:14 AM

My guess is his new old lady does not want to reside in NOLA anymore.

We need to get all the picks we can get for his trade. Texans just became numero uno as they just fired their coach and they have the draft capital.

saintsfan1976 · 01-09-2023, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

My guess is his new old lady does not want to reside in NOLA anymore.

We need to get all the picks we can get for his trade. Texans just became numero uno as they just fired their coach and they have the draft capital.

Someone here stated "there is no bidding war for head coaches".

I think that if there are 2 or more franchises SP is willing to join then, yes there certainly should be an element to that for New Orleans.

I hope it happens in Houston!

K Major · 01-09-2023, 02:51 PM

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lee909 · 01-09-2023, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

https://twitter.com/i/status/1612292902998212610

Yeah, I'm sure someone said something a few months ago. Sounds like the players think he quit on them.

bobdog86 · 01-10-2023, 03:55 PM

Players are probably ready for a new chapter, Coach P is probably ready for a new chapter. Probably largest sector of people wanting to get the band back together are the fans, and we really don't know 10% of what we think we do. New start for everyone at this point is the only logical option.

01-08-2023, 10:13 PM	#1
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 809	Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints? He “retired “ for a year. But why not come home so to speak. Nothing but open arms would be welcoming him back. And he knows that. So my question is, why doesn’t he want to come back?

01-08-2023, 10:37 PM	#2
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints? Because he was part of the team that left the roster in a mess, constantly needing to restructure injured/aging players to get under the cap. Starting the year 50ml plus in the hole isn't exactly a great starting point. He was part of the brains that neglected QB successor for years, and left the team needing to give away the 2023 number 1(11th) pick to make sure they got a top WR the year before. Look at the draft picks from 2012 onwards, outside of 2017 is hardly a roaring success. He was a major part of overspending and keeping the band together and as far as i'm concerned as soon at them chickens came home to roost he jumped ship and wanted nothing to do with trying to rebuild the team. One tough year after he loses his HOF QB and thats it, he jacks it all in. Had he just gone the year before we actually had a good HC and DC in house, he him staying on when it was obviously on his mind to walk meant the team got left with Allen and lost Campbell and Glenn Jump ship,sit out a year and waiting to walk into a good set up with a QB in place Im actually amazed people would want him back. Halo, MatthewT, papz and 6 others like this.
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01-09-2023, 12:46 AM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints? Yes exactly. But this is not a unique flaw. The Rams have done the same and now Sean McVay is suddenly burnt out and has an interest in broadcasting. Watch him retire, wait a year, and take the Chargers job. Tom Brady saw the Patriots depleted, over the cap and with no other weapons on offense, so he went to Tampa who were a mile under the cap with lots of young high draft picks, and he took advantage. Harbaugh had some recruiting violations that any college coach can get, so he bails back to the pros. It might work out, because Pete Carroll did the same and won a superbowl. I think Payton is a good coach but will not suceed long term as his own GM. He needs a good forward looking patient GM but has too much ego to share power with one. MatthewT likes this.
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints? Originally Posted by SmashMouth My guess is his new old lady does not want to reside in NOLA anymore. We need to get all the picks we can get for his trade. Texans just became numero uno as they just fired their coach and they have the draft capital. Someone here stated "there is no bidding war for head coaches". I think that if there are 2 or more franchises SP is willing to join then, yes there certainly should be an element to that for New Orleans. I hope it happens in Houston! SmashMouth, Pete and lee909 like this.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints? Originally Posted by K Major https://twitter.com/i/status/1612292902998212610 Yeah, I'm sure someone said something a few months ago. Sounds like the players think he quit on them. SmashMouth and K Major like this.

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bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,406	Re: Why doesn’t Payton want to come back to the Saints? Players are probably ready for a new chapter, Coach P is probably ready for a new chapter. Probably largest sector of people wanting to get the band back together are the fans, and we really don't know 10% of what we think we do. New start for everyone at this point is the only logical option. iceshack149 and Sinner like this.