Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

saintsfan1976 · 01-17-2023, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Supply and demand. The fact that he's a hot commodity is advantageous to the Saints. That creates leverage especially if we can pin two teams against each other. You've made the assumption that Sean is only going to give us one choice to fit your narrative.

Owning his rights is the single most important leverage there is. If we have no leverage, you're basically saying we have to take whatever the opposing team is willing to give us or risk not getting any compensation at all. That's not how it's going to work. That doesn't make any damn sense.

I've tried unsuccessfully to explain this to Guido several times.

AsylumGuido · 01-17-2023, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I've tried unsuccessfully to explain this to Guido several times.

I fully understand economics. I aced all four semesters of it at LSU-S. Supply and demand requires an open market, meaning there has to be multiple buyers. There aren't in this case for the Saints. There is one single buyer and that's the buyer that Sean Payton chooses, if he chooses one at all. On the other hand, the team that Payton chooses has access to multiple products (head coaching candidates) from different sources. They can keep all of their draft capital and make a different coaching hire if they so choose.

And I'm nowhere near the only one pointing out these facts.

Once again, I would absolutely love it if the Saints were in a position to shop Payton like they could a player without a no trade clause. But they aren't.

saintsfan1976 · 01-17-2023, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I fully understand economics. I aced all four semesters of it at LSU-S. Supply and demand requires an open market, meaning there has to be multiple buyers. There aren't in this case for the Saints. There is one single buyer and that's the buyer that Sean Payton chooses, if he chooses one at all. On the other hand, the team that Payton chooses has access to multiple products (head coaching candidates) from different sources. They can keep all of their draft capital and make a different coaching hire if they so choose.

And I'm nowhere near the only one pointing out these facts.

Once again, I would absolutely love it if the Saints were in a position to shop Payton like they could a player without a no trade clause. But they aren't.

Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for.

AsylumGuido · 01-17-2023, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for.

Give an example of that leverage, then. It doesn't even have to be real. Given the current parameters what could be a plausible leverage point? Believe me, I racked my brain for some sort of hold card for the Saints and I couldn't think of one.

Let's not forget that the same basic trade requirements were shared with all interested teams prior to any contact with Payton. You can be assured that every front office in the league knew of those same requirements within an hour.

The ONLY bit of leverage that I can think of would be if Payton didn't care what was going to be his final destination and what draft capital that team would have remaining after the trade. And I don't think there's a chance in hell of that being the case.

subguy · 01-17-2023, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for.

Easy there saintsfan you know AG always has to be the smartest man in the room

01-17-2023, 03:06 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by papz Supply and demand. The fact that he's a hot commodity is advantageous to the Saints. That creates leverage especially if we can pin two teams against each other. You've made the assumption that Sean is only going to give us one choice to fit your narrative. Owning his rights is the single most important leverage there is. If we have no leverage, you're basically saying we have to take whatever the opposing team is willing to give us or risk not getting any compensation at all. That's not how it's going to work. That doesn't make any damn sense. I've tried unsuccessfully to explain this to Guido several times.

01-17-2023, 03:20 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I've tried unsuccessfully to explain this to Guido several times. I fully understand economics. I aced all four semesters of it at LSU-S. Supply and demand requires an open market, meaning there has to be multiple buyers. There aren't in this case for the Saints. There is one single buyer and that's the buyer that Sean Payton chooses, if he chooses one at all. On the other hand, the team that Payton chooses has access to multiple products (head coaching candidates) from different sources. They can keep all of their draft capital and make a different coaching hire if they so choose. And I'm nowhere near the only one pointing out these facts. Once again, I would absolutely love it if the Saints were in a position to shop Payton like they could a player without a no trade clause. But they aren't.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-17-2023, 03:45 PM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I fully understand economics. I aced all four semesters of it at LSU-S. Supply and demand requires an open market, meaning there has to be multiple buyers. There aren't in this case for the Saints. There is one single buyer and that's the buyer that Sean Payton chooses, if he chooses one at all. On the other hand, the team that Payton chooses has access to multiple products (head coaching candidates) from different sources. They can keep all of their draft capital and make a different coaching hire if they so choose. And I'm nowhere near the only one pointing out these facts. Once again, I would absolutely love it if the Saints were in a position to shop Payton like they could a player without a no trade clause. But they aren't. Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for.

01-17-2023, 04:04 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for. Give an example of that leverage, then. It doesn't even have to be real. Given the current parameters what could be a plausible leverage point? Believe me, I racked my brain for some sort of hold card for the Saints and I couldn't think of one. Let's not forget that the same basic trade requirements were shared with all interested teams prior to any contact with Payton. You can be assured that every front office in the league knew of those same requirements within an hour. The ONLY bit of leverage that I can think of would be if Payton didn't care what was going to be his final destination and what draft capital that team would have remaining after the trade. And I don't think there's a chance in hell of that being the case.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-17-2023, 05:33 PM	#5
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,105	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for. Easy there saintsfan you know AG always has to be the smartest man in the room K Major likes this.